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Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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Essentially all the folders and organization for Google Docs happens through Google Drive. So you have to keep switching between the two. Why is the Google Drive interface not embedded in Google Docs instead of that dumb list of documents?

I know right?! I've been ranting about this for the past year, having to use docs for a small organization. All I want is Google drive but when you click on a text file it takes you into the docs editor.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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macOS takes the same approach with Finder however. Managing files in macOS is a huge pain if you want to keep it in some nicely organized tree. Its optimized for just searching to find what you're looking for. It presents all files in a flat list by default. Apple's primary business model is not search, so there could be some evidence that more people just prefer search over tags/folders/icons etc.

Maybe it's just because I've been using OSX since 10.2 but I've never had any problems keeping files in trees, I have a very nicely pruned set of nested folders that I keep all my work in. If you wanna dump all your shit in ~/Documents then sure you can do it, but it's also super easy to stick folders in the Finder sidebar or the Dock for easy access to your big multifile projects.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

#53

Flip side - Google Keep. To search for a note you have to press the search box twice . First time you just get types of things - if you want to search free text you have to press again. I'd argue that UI encourages using tags over search. It's honestly my only major annoyance about Google Keep.

You don't need to press the search box twice. Focusing the search box renders a tag view, but once you start typing it will search free text.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

#54

Could we use this as a place to suggest alternatives to Google Maps? I have tried OpenStreetMaps (albeit 5+years ago) and couldn't search for an address. So if that's improved I'd like to know. I don't need/want "find X near me" or fluff like "what restaurant's are open right now?". All I want is navigation between current location and target address.

FWIW, I find the Apple Maps interface & directions to be far more user friendly than Google Maps (at least when using an iPhone).

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

#55
I’ve noticed the inverse: when I replaced the Chrome new tab page with a custom .html file, I suddenly found myself using Google Search much less, using Google URL suggestions much less, and syncing less data to Google servers. The difference between a useless new tab page and a decent one had a real impact on my habits.

Similarly, when I switched from Google Maps to Apple Maps, the favorites UI was enough better that I started using it more and relying on search less.

There’s definitely a pattern of Google underperforming in ways that make you fall back on Google Search, sending Google data, and viewing Google ads.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

#56

This would be fine if Google Drive/Docs search wasn't unusably bad

This has always been a head scratcher to me. Google knows the frequency of doc access, it knows roughly who is on what team in my org, and which docs get spread widely. They should be able to knock this out of the park...

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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Flip side - Google Keep. To search for a note you have to press the search box twice . First time you just get types of things - if you want to search free text you have to press again. I'd argue that UI encourages using tags over search. It's honestly my only major annoyance about Google Keep.

Isn't keep an abandoned project? I use it daily and it doesn't seem to have gotten an update in years (if ever since launch). >It's honestly my only major annoyance about Google Keep. I definitely have more annoyances - it can be slow, it has only minimum features, you can't change the ordering etc.

> it doesn't seem to have gotten an update in years (if ever since launch)

That's probably why it doesn't suck as badly as most other Google products.

> you can't change the ordering etc.

Of notes? Of checkbox items? In both cases: you most definitely can. I just did that, both in the browser and in the app.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Google maps for navigation between locations and it works great, not sure what your problem with it is, but if you want an alternate Waze works better imo.

I like Waze too, but just wanted to point out that they are also owned by Ggogle.

I don't think GP's beef with Maps is that it's owned by Google, though I could be wrong.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

#59

Could we use this as a place to suggest alternatives to Google Maps? I have tried OpenStreetMaps (albeit 5+years ago) and couldn't search for an address. So if that's improved I'd like to know. I don't need/want "find X near me" or fluff like "what restaurant's are open right now?". All I want is navigation between current location and target address.

I use Google maps for navigation between locations and it works great, not sure what your problem with it is, but if you want an alternate Waze works better imo.

My biggest complaint about Google Maps is the UI. Street names are difficult to read, the scale of how-far-away an upcoming turn is always off. Contrast could use improvements too.

There is also a lot of clutter.

These are traits that have all gotten worse over the years. I'd prefer the UI of the first-gen Google Maps then what we have today.

I have no complaints about the actual navigation, there has been quirks over the years but nothing that stands out in my mind.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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Google also debuted a new Driving Mode on Google Maps that... entirely changes the UI of of the app and several parts of the phone interface itself. I have never had to look at my phone while driving more in my entire life. It's my fault for using the phone, but it very nearly caused 2 accidents for me this weekend as I tried to get google maps to update or display a particular UI. I truly wonder what is going on ove…

Not to mention Google Maps gives you about 1/2" x 1/2" of actual map - the rest of your screen is full of other junk.

My favorite is during navigation when my current location is placed 3/4 of the way across the screen, that is 3/4 of the screen is used to display the route I've already driven.
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