European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication • Hacker News Board

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by BitwiseFool » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

netr0ute wrote: post #38

sergimansilla wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It mentions in the article that even apps like Signal would have to install backdoors that they can use.

That can't happen with open-source, whether it's "free" or not.

While true, an adversarial government can pass new laws to restrict access or installation of software it deems dangerous. Politicians, uh, find a way.

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by josho » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

cachvico wrote: post #29

Warning - this is a work of fiction, or satire. Mods - perhaps you want to adjust the title.

Sadly I believe this is legit. Here's a better* source https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-platform...

*This source at least explains the other side of the issue.

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by edrxty » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

Are there any primary sources for this? I'm having trouble finding anything talking about any final legislative action involving chat control/ePrivacy etc. that isn't this random pirate party blog.

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by gary_0 » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

cachvico wrote: post #29

Warning - this is a work of fiction, or satire. Mods - perhaps you want to adjust the title.

How is it satire? Wikipedia[0] says that Patrick Breyer is a real MEP and this is his official blog.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Breyer

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by Dah00n » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #12

I am proud to live in a country that is not doing this. Openly. Yet. At least now they have to build a parallel construction to prosecute you for whatever they find, which takes some effort. Yay team.

Sounds like the US when you mention parallel construction but since the laws are way way worse than this one in the states I'm guessing it is somewhere else?

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by aktuel » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

Does anyone have a link to details about who voted how?

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by perihelions » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

Just to clarify a point for discussion: this is already the law in the USA, and always has been [0]. European privacy law formerly prohibited private entities from reading personal communications, and handing them over warrantlessly to governments (as I understand it (?)); but this was never a thing in the US.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by actually_a_dog » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

cachvico wrote: post #29

Warning - this is a work of fiction, or satire. Mods - perhaps you want to adjust the title.

Really? It seems to refer to this: https://iapp.org/news/a/eu-lawmakers-close-to-agreement-on-t... which looks to be very much true.

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by yreg » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

This reads like a hoax. Do we have other sources on it?

Re: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by Goety » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

hughrr wrote: post #19

Well bye bye European tech industry. Why the hell would anyone want to do business with such a risk in place?

The EU already has unprecedented control over commerce. Notice how they chopped up the UK during Brexit.

EU adopting this measure means the enforcement will likely be corrupt and impossible to enforce standards.