DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

Post by sys_64738 » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 1:56 PM UTC

redis_mlc wrote: post #5

- DevOps originally was supposed to eliminate Operations (Sysadmin) staff by involving Dev with the Infra and Release process. - But Dev is incentivized to create features, not know the intricacies of Release at scale, so dedicated Devops (Operations) teams were again staffed - dedicated DevOps teams are here to stay except in certain unique scenarios. For example, I've seen some Indian-led SV startups that hate Oper…

Post by jpswade » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

igetspam wrote: post #51

jpswade wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DevOps tool chain has become so complex that it requires specialist roles that create knowledge silos. The goal of DevOps was to remove those gates and silos. It was meant to be about skills over roles. All we appear to have done is change the tools and role from that of a SysAdmin to DevOps engineer.

Then you're doing it wrong. My teams have two components that require review from a specific group: 1. Core infra 2. Anything related to security Outside of those, we all can and do work on everything else. We regularly coach people in terraform and third party APIs to endure they understand that they own their application lifecycle. They control the entire SDLC and we work together to ensure sanity. There are lots o…

Post by nosvince » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 3:46 PM UTC

nickjj wrote: post #32

mhoad wrote: post #14

This is a garbage quality post but the underlying premise I think is fair. I’ve heard much more reputable people like Kelsey Hightower make similar claims recently. Just as a matter of personal interest I spent the last year looking into the question of how close could a small and possibly even competent one person team get to doing “cloud native” “best practices” from day one if they made the right choices. My asses…

> Running Kubernetes for example has in just the past couple of months potentially become a genuinely hands off exercise thanks to GKE Autopilot where you can just throw containers at it and it will just work and do the right thing by default. I never heard of Autopilot before but it sounds like what AWS has had for a while with Fargate where you don't need to manage your worker nodes, instead you define what compute…

Post by nosvince » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 4:15 PM UTC

afrodc_ wrote: post #3

This post doesn't really say anything and hand waves over a lot of the complexities of real world deployment and operations that isn't a simple stateless hello world web application.

Post by nosvince » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 4:24 PM UTC

peakaboo wrote: post #30

ram_rar wrote: post #26

Its a very poorly written article with all the buzzwords one can think of. DevOps is not even remotely close to dead, but rather evolved a lot. Gone are the days, when one could easily ssh into remote prod systems and fix the issue. With shell less Docker images and container orchestration tools (hashicorp stack), CI/CD pipelines, blue-green deployments etc, Devops has become a lot more sophisticated than before.

You say sophisticated but in reality, it has become extreamly complex, which is a natural consequence of using tons of different tools and glueing them together.