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Neeva Announces Public Availability of Its Ads Free, Private Search Engine

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#52

What’s strange to me is that they’re featuring “best X” in all these difference shots, yet their experience I still don’t think does a great job. Best at what? According to whom and why? What is the priority list? The headphones graphic is a great example of that. We have over the ear headphones next to in-ear AirPods, serving likely different markets with different needs often at different price points. Their exampl…

To put it another way, how do we know that the "expert recommended shopping results" won't be any different from paid adverts? Or that when they "share at least 20% of our topline revenue with content creator partners when their content is used to directly answer a Neeva user’s query" they won't create a new form of spamdexing where the objective is a cut of the 20% rather than clicks on pages filled with adverts?

Re: Neeva Announces Public Availability of Its Ads Free, Private Search Engine

#54
I tried signing up a few weeks ago and they are not allowing international or Australian access.

I'm surprised the comments here are missing the elephant in the room.

Sridhar Ramaswamy was the Google executive directly responsible for putting all those ads on Google's search results. If Google search got broken then I reckon he did more than anyone to break it. He had a brutal rivalry with YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki.

Vivek Raghunathan put all the ads on YouTube. Those ads are so bad Google makes money from people paying to remove them.

They left Google after a scandal with YouTube showing ads on videos that exploited young children and appealed to pedophiles.

Are the architects of the problem the right people to trust for a solution? The born-again anti-advertising schtick just seems too clever by half. They are collecting more private personal data than Google ever did.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/google-exec-sridhar-ramas...

https://camilancumicumi.blogspot.com/2020/06/a-former-google...

Re: Neeva Announces Public Availability of Its Ads Free, Private Search Engine

#55
I agree with others that a new business model for search is refreshing. But... for a privacy-oriented service, Neeva is doing a poor job in earning my trust.

I spent some minutes in their website and all I could find are vague promises and grandiose marketing-speak. Where's the evidence and the technical detail? Where are the privacy experts, data experts and engineers impressing me with the robustness, openness and cleverness of their system?

Mullvad, for example, excels at explaining how their privacy service works. They transparently explain how they designed a systen with privacy at the core and they're open in their processes and code. They're also independently audited. That's why I trust them.

Neeva, on the other hand, focusses on promises and not evidence. Also, when you scratch the surface they no longer seem so privacy-friendly.

Just compare the privacy policies of both companies and make your own judgement about who is truly privacy-oriented or not:

https://neeva.com/privacy https://mullvad.net/en/help/no-logging-data-policy/#numbered https://mullvad.net/en/help/privacy-policy/

In regards to Neeva's positioning as 'private search', I don't think they have their architecture right. The best privacy-oriented services are keen on NOT knowing users. Neeva seems keen on getting their hands on all sorts of data. For users: Create an account, send payment data, sync with documents, email, calendars, etc. For users and non-users: automatic hoarding of IP, user settings, location, etc.

Re: Neeva Announces Public Availability of Its Ads Free, Private Search Engine

#56
This creeps me out. Connect Google, Slack and Github together for one search experience? That's an incredible lot of trust. Where does all that data go? Shadowy markets? It would be an absolute kicker -- people paying for search probably are extremely high value targets.

Re: Neeva Announces Public Availability of Its Ads Free, Private Search Engine

#57

The main problem with search today is the lack of organically appearing "curation" found on the early internet. Today everyone knows the value of a link, so it curation via links doesn't happen organically any more like it used to... yet this is still a major/the primary part of Google's Search results. Until the "curation problem" is solved I am not hopeful of a search engine producing excellent results like Google…

That’s a great observation.

An idea for curation:

Content evaluated by usefulness towards solving some problem. Perhaps measured by its usefulness towards training a very narrow AI. Like what if AlphaGo’s only inputs were web pages on the topic of Go, and there were hundreds of instances of it all trained on different combinations of web pages, and competing against each other.

Probably the datacontest mapping is itself intractable until we have AGI, at which point the whole question might be moot. But what it?

Re: Neeva Announces Public Availability of Its Ads Free, Private Search Engine

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"Sign up and get three months free, then only $4.95 per month."

I can't believe this, but I may have reached the point where I'd be willing to pay for search that isn't shit.

I'd pay just to get the old Google Books search back the way it used to be. I'd pay just for that.

Re: Neeva Announces Public Availability of Its Ads Free, Private Search Engine

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Genuine question: I use DDG which also touts privacy and is free. Yes it shows ads, I’m told they are non tracking. What benefit does Neeva provide over it?

With ad monetization, search engines have an incentive for you to click on ads. This makes it less likely that you find the highest quality information for your needs.

In what ways is your experience degraded? You may click on an ad result at the top of the page, while the more useful result is somewhere down below. You may become constantly frustrated by having to scroll past ads that are dominating huge portions of search result pages.

But the problem goes beyond whether or not ads are present at the top of the page. Ad-monetized search engines may hesitate to present organic, non-ad-based results in ways that are easy for you to digest -- doing so might make it less likely that you click on an ad result! For example, if you're doing a shopping query, say for "best air purifiers", the search engine may hesitate to show you an easy-to-use UI with expert reviews, price history, and different possible air purifier feature sets. Showing such a "flashy UI" will make it less likely that you engage with ad results.

At Neeva, we're trying to bring you the highest quality information for your needs, no longer held back by ads. We want to present this information to you in easily digestible and transparent ways. And we want to give you more control over your search results with personalization.

Disclaimer: I'm a Neeva engineer.

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