Extroverts are mentally ill usually suffering from ADHD. This propaganda that extroverts are somehow normal and to aspire to...is just that, propaganda from the noisy, mentally ill extrovert.
The Reign of Introverts Is Here
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#52The reign of the introverts is definitely not here nor will it ever be. I'm increasingly of the opinion that most people in this industry think they're introverts, when actually they're just a victim of extremely poor working environments, i.e. open plan offices. No other industry I can think of has such a disparity between what an employee needs for the best productivity versus what they're given by their employer,…
I also think introversion is confused with social exhaustion.
If you crave some alone time after several hours on back-to-back meetings, you’re not necessarily an introvert, you’re just human.
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#53Both sets of "verts" have historically had their realms, strongholds and fiefdoms. What may have changed is where the profits are now increasingly flowing from...
Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here
#54The reign of the introverts is definitely not here nor will it ever be. I'm increasingly of the opinion that most people in this industry think they're introverts, when actually they're just a victim of extremely poor working environments, i.e. open plan offices. No other industry I can think of has such a disparity between what an employee needs for the best productivity versus what they're given by their employer,…
> Similarly as you rise 'up the ladder', you have to communicate more, you cannot be an introvert.
Introverts can be excellent communicators both in 1:1 and group settings. Introversion doesn’t equal shyness. I’m an introvert who communicates all day at work. When work is done, I’m quiet and recharge.
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#55The reign of the introverts is definitely not here nor will it ever be. I'm increasingly of the opinion that most people in this industry think they're introverts, when actually they're just a victim of extremely poor working environments, i.e. open plan offices. No other industry I can think of has such a disparity between what an employee needs for the best productivity versus what they're given by their employer,…
First, I do think you’re right that open floor plans and many other factors have a major impact on people in this industry. Introversion is one potential contributor to why this is a big deal.
But something about the way you’re describing introversion doesn’t quite match the traditional introvert’s reality.
> Similarly as you rise 'up the ladder', you have to communicate more, you cannot be an introvert.
Having to communicate more (and being successful at it) do not make one an extrovert. Anecdotal: I’ve risen up the ladder, and I am without question, an introvert. The difference between me and my extroverted colleagues is that they’re energized by it, and I’m not. I have to take intentional steps to recharge later, while they're charged up by the process itself. This also means that I'm not better or worse than my extroverted colleagues at communicating or climbing the ladder, I just need to think about my source of energy differently.
While I’m sure there is some truth to the broader issues caused by shared work spaces, etc. I also find that the concept of introversion/extroversion is often not what people think it is.
Introverts can be well adjusted, social, and easy to talk to. People often mistake the lack of these traits for introversion, and while there can be some overlap in observed behaviors at times, the two should not be confused.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There are incredibly talented musicians out there that can’t even afford rent and genius mathematicians are rarely seen purchasing a yacht. Sorry, but anecdotes are really problematic (i.e. useless) when evaluating correlation between variables. Research puts IQ - income correlation to around 0.4, if my memory serves.
I’d like to see some research to back that up. Here’s an article that says otherwise: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11711-smarter-people-... Common sense will tell you billionaires aren’t orders of magnitude smarter than the rest of us.
The researcher starts out by admitting that IQ is correlated to income and wealth[1], then keeps adding factors to the model until the IQ factor is statistically redundant. If you think this method is sufficient to say two variables are not correlated, then nothing is correlated. Excluding wealth, none of the variables listed were more strongly correlated with income than IQ.
1. "Each point increase in IQ test scores is associated with $202 to $616 more income per year,”
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There are incredibly talented musicians out there that can’t even afford rent and genius mathematicians are rarely seen purchasing a yacht. Sorry, but anecdotes are really problematic (i.e. useless) when evaluating correlation between variables. Research puts IQ - income correlation to around 0.4, if my memory serves.
I’d like to see some research to back that up. Here’s an article that says otherwise: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11711-smarter-people-... Common sense will tell you billionaires aren’t orders of magnitude smarter than the rest of us.
That newscientist article is a bit old (from 2007) but seems to support sz4kerto's claim that income is correlated with IQ.
“Each point increase in IQ test scores is associated with $202 to $616 more income per year,”
That study claims that the income increase associated with higher IQ doesn't necessarily translate into increased average wealth though as other life style factors may offset the increased average income.
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#58The reign of the introverts is definitely not here nor will it ever be. I'm increasingly of the opinion that most people in this industry think they're introverts, when actually they're just a victim of extremely poor working environments, i.e. open plan offices. No other industry I can think of has such a disparity between what an employee needs for the best productivity versus what they're given by their employer,…
This is itself an unfounded conspiracy theory.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’d like to see some research to back that up. Here’s an article that says otherwise: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11711-smarter-people-... Common sense will tell you billionaires aren’t orders of magnitude smarter than the rest of us.
The researcher starts out by admitting that IQ is correlated to income and wealth[1], then keeps adding factors to the model until the IQ factor is statistically redundant. If you think this method is sufficient to say two variables are not correlated, then nothing is correlated. Excluding wealth, none of the variables listed were more strongly correlated with income than IQ. 1. "Each point increase in IQ test scores…
> If you think this method is sufficient to say two variables are not correlated, then nothing is correlated.
And thus you’ve discovered why social “science” is not science at all. IQ is a nebulous concept anyway. Yes, if you’re cognitively impaired, there are lots of things you can’t do and that will impact your pay but higher income is related to who you know, not what you do.
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#60>Quiet nerds are now revered as the next generation of powerful and wealthy. Why? Because they, most likely, will be.
lol what? More stereotypes?