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I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Post by amelius »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #26
amelius wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And yes I protest against these practices. How?

Well, here... And in every other discussion where it comes up. But also directly to the vendors. I manage hundreds of Macs at work, and Apple is always pushing us to use VPP (Volume Purchase Program). However, most of the apps we need are not in their store at all, so there is no point. And their 'federated' accounts don't work for us due to arbitrary limitations on Apple's side (Specifically: The UPN must be equal t…

> Well, here... And in every other discussion where it comes up.

Not sure if "here" would help in any way, as when it comes to bigcorp-versus-small-guy, HN is basically an echo chamber.

Also, I've once heard that Apple employees are discouraged from reading internet forums. That's probably why we never see them here.

Kudos for complaining to Apple directly, though.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Post by nlitened »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #48
sandworm101 wrote: post #39

Every stupid mistake by Microsoft is yet another great day for linux.

But also a challenge. Linux also has to introduce purely Microsoft/Google/whatever-account log-on (without explicit local user log-in preceding it) as an option because this is what many zoomers expect. You just give them a new computer, they sign-in with their account and start doing their job. Businesses they run also expect this when ordering computers/integration from you. The open source world actually needs to…

> You just give them a new computer, they sign-in with their account and start doing their job

They can start doing their job without signing in with any accounts, one step fewer.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Post by jve »

sandworm101 wrote: post #39

Every stupid mistake by Microsoft is yet another great day for linux.

Except for Ubuntu Core which requires Ubuntu SSO account. https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi-core

The requirements doesn't list internet... and I was pretty sure my friend pressed some button or something that asked him for online login, when he tried to install Ubuntu for raspberry (because I'm not hardcore linux guy and I use Ubuntu and I will be able to assist him better in that OS), but after some googling around, it really turns out to be true - cant install without SSO login.

The solution for that guy? He just installed a different OS.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Post by naikrovek »

CannisterFlux wrote: post #41
romanovcode wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OneDrive, Edge (if you're into it) and setting sync. What do you mean it does not makes sense? I am not using MS login myself but saying it doesn't make sense is ridiculous. It's exactly same as what Apple does. As for people who say it's required on Windows: It's not. You can create local account during setup, the link is there once you cancel your online login. It's hidden at first, but it's there. You don't even h…

Apparently in Windows 11 they removed that loophole, and now you require an internet connection at least once during setup to proceed.

Windows 11 Home only. Pro, Enterprise, and Education don't have this requirement.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Post by badsectoracula »

axelroze wrote: post #40
GekkePrutser wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only use my Windows PC for gaming now, where it's kinda unavoidable.

Steam Proton and Soldier runtime do wonders. I am playing Witcher 3 through it. Using mods. No lags or crashes.

The annoying bit with those is that they are Steam only. I try to avoid Steam and instead buy from GOG because they are DRM-free and i keep offline copies of all of my games, but Wine still (just tried yesterday the version Void Linux installs in a VM) seems to have issues even with slightly older games.

There used to be a way to run Proton outside of Steam but i think it is now discouraged.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Post by fsloth »

addicted wrote: post #38
codecalec wrote: post #2

This requirement just does not make sense to me. Why would Microsoft even have this requirement? Do they want to force users into an account so it is easier to lead them into Office packages? It can't be for greater data profiles on users since they could do this in other less explicit ways. Microsoft just doesn't have the ecosystem like Apple to make this worthwhile from their point of view or the users.

To be honest, I think it’s as simple as it being a better experience for the type of people who would buy the Home edition. Forcing them to log in with a MS account allows MS to provide a lot of the services people expect using Android or iOS as their primary devices. For one thing, both those devices pretty much require an online account as well. And they contain far more sensitive data. But more importantly, they a…

"I think it’s as simple as it being a better experience for the type of people who would buy the Home edition. ... allows MS to provide a lot of the services people expect using Android or iOS as their primary devices.

This. 100 times.

The main compute device people as a population are familiar with is the cellphone/tablet, and usage patterns that differ from this are becoming the odd man out.

Consumer tech. Commoditization. Etc.

We've come a long way from the 1970's. The computer as a commodity is actually not the same as a computer as a gizmo for the technically minded enthusiast.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Post by null_object »

Almost crazier than this is the need to have a Microsoft account in order for your kids to be able to play certain games together on their Nintendo Switch that have been bought for 50-plus dollars, and have no indication on the package that having a Microsoft account is a prerequisite for collaborative play.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Post by taneq »

addicted wrote: post #38
codecalec wrote: post #2

This requirement just does not make sense to me. Why would Microsoft even have this requirement? Do they want to force users into an account so it is easier to lead them into Office packages? It can't be for greater data profiles on users since they could do this in other less explicit ways. Microsoft just doesn't have the ecosystem like Apple to make this worthwhile from their point of view or the users.

To be honest, I think it’s as simple as it being a better experience for the type of people who would buy the Home edition. Forcing them to log in with a MS account allows MS to provide a lot of the services people expect using Android or iOS as their primary devices. For one thing, both those devices pretty much require an online account as well. And they contain far more sensitive data. But more importantly, they a…

> the type of people who would buy the Home edition

I haven't looked particularly into the differences between 'normal' Windows 10 and the other tiers but in the past, 'professional' versions were actually missing things (codecs etc.) that you'd want on a general usage PC.

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