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CloudFlare is providing them DDoS protection.
They really need to stop. They did it for 8chan, why not this? How many more people need to die before anything changes?
I've come to realize that the sad answer to that question is: All the people everywhere… Humanity is a toxic planetary parasite. :(
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I'm not endorsing what they do, but Cloudflare isn't the only option for DDOS protection. If you take them out now, you'll probably just send them deeper into the decentralized web, which is probably not a mutually amicable solution.
They well might be, realistically. Other similarly-atrocious sites that were eventually shut down by Cloudflare had a lot of trouble finding new hosts.
> Kiwi Farms was spun off from CWCiki, a wiki focused on Chris-Chan. They're a forum focused on cyberbullying other people. They especially tend to focus on people who are in vulnerable groups. For example, Byuu as far as I know, identified as non-binary, which is why they started harassing him. It seems like they're a major catalyst for this situation. Wow. A forum of people that bullies vulnerable people until they…
I posted a bit on KiwiFarms a bit about six/seven years ago. I became involved somewhat involuntary as I was editing on RationalWiki at the time and there was rather a lot of conflict with the whole "GamerGate" thing going on, and I had no idea what that was about. I didn't care much for the anti-gamergate people on RW as I felt they were ... unpleasant ... and they kept talking about this "KiwiFarms" thing. So I cre…
They reposted the Christchurch massacre video and the owner called the NZ police fags when requested for logs. Even if your opinion is ‘freedom of information’, the owner being outright offensive to the staff involved in responding to the content is a pretty good indicator that the site is a cesspit.
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I posted a bit on KiwiFarms a bit about six/seven years ago. I became involved somewhat involuntary as I was editing on RationalWiki at the time and there was rather a lot of conflict with the whole "GamerGate" thing going on, and I had no idea what that was about. I didn't care much for the anti-gamergate people on RW as I felt they were ... unpleasant ... and they kept talking about this "KiwiFarms" thing. So I cre…
There are literal celebratory posts over someones suicide on there. They reposted the Christchurch massacre video and the owner called the NZ police fags when requested for logs. Even if your opinion is ‘freedom of information’, the owner being outright offensive to the staff involved in responding to the content is a pretty good indicator that the site is a cesspit.
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There are literal celebratory posts over someones suicide on there. They reposted the Christchurch massacre video and the owner called the NZ police fags when requested for logs. Even if your opinion is ‘freedom of information’, the owner being outright offensive to the staff involved in responding to the content is a pretty good indicator that the site is a cesspit.
Being edgy is not the same as intentionally driving people to suicide. Like I said: distasteful and offensive? Sure. But that's not what's being alleged here. Any and all nuance is lost here and the worst possible assumptions are being made.
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Being edgy is not the same as intentionally driving people to suicide. Like I said: distasteful and offensive? Sure. But that's not what's being alleged here. Any and all nuance is lost here and the worst possible assumptions are being made.
Near attributes the owner of the site as a key cause of their suicide. It sounds like they made efforts to contact the website to remove the offending threads. Did you even read the article?
There was a fairly short thread with a bunch of people not being very nice, but that's about it, then nothing for a year, and then Near came back with "I will give you my life savings if you remove the thread", which then escalated to essentially "I will kill myself if you don't remove the thread", and a day later they did.
And while I every reason to believe it's all genuine, ... that doesn't automatically mean every claim is true. If I were to say "my conversation with hsbauauvhabzb on HN made me commit suicide" then I might be very sincere and genuine in this, but that doesn't mean you did anything wrong, and even if you did, doesn't mean that you singularly caused my suicide.
I've heard all of this before and when I went out to verify and found that a that time much of it wasn't true, and that a lot of things attributed to KiwiFarms were just not related to them at all. And now I can't really find anything either. Distasteful, offensive, and often just outright shitty? Sure. Intentionally driving people to suicide? Not seeing it. Being shitty is not the same as harassment. It's just not. It's just a bunch of losers dramawanking.
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They really need to stop. They did it for 8chan, why not this? How many more people need to die before anything changes?
> "How many more people need to die before anything changes?" I've come to realize that the sad answer to that question is: All the people everywhere… Humanity is a toxic planetary parasite. :(
And there are also sad, damaged people who somehow convinced themselves that to make sense of their suffering they need to hurt others. Internet made them create a 'community' and they feed each-others' hate to create this toxic sewer.
But this is outlier. If I walk down my street and ask a stranger to help me move something to the back of my car, they would most likely help. And I am positive they would not just wait there to trip me after refusing to help.
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Near attributes the owner of the site as a key cause of their suicide. It sounds like they made efforts to contact the website to remove the offending threads. Did you even read the article?
Yes, of course I read it. And I found the email exchange with Null and them as well, the letter their friend wrote, some other things on Twitter, this HN thread, the other HN thread, skimmed a bit on that KiwiFarms thread. There was a fairly short thread with a bunch of people not being very nice, but that's about it, then nothing for a year, and then Near came back with "I will give you my life savings if you remove…
Bullying is a well accepted cause of suicide. It might not occur straight away, maybe the victim becomes mentally or emotionally unstable as a result and terminates their life some time after the actual events occur. I fail to see a distinctive difference between ‘driving somebody to suicide’ and ‘bullying without the intent to cause suicide’.
But sure, downplay it as ‘dramawanking’ because you’re unable to empathise or see perspectives other than your own.
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Near attributes the owner of the site as a key cause of their suicide. It sounds like they made efforts to contact the website to remove the offending threads. Did you even read the article?
Yes, of course I read it. And I found the email exchange with Null and them as well, the letter their friend wrote, some other things on Twitter, this HN thread, the other HN thread, skimmed a bit on that KiwiFarms thread. There was a fairly short thread with a bunch of people not being very nice, but that's about it, then nothing for a year, and then Near came back with "I will give you my life savings if you remove…
Anti-online harassment activists: KiwiFarms users look for people to harass online until they kill themselves.
Near: KiwiFarms users harassed me until I killed myself.
KiwiFarms users: We drove one of our targets to kill themselves — hooray for us! We have achieved our explicit aims!
Arp242: (smugly) KiwiFarms users don’t harass people until they kill themselves.
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Yes, of course I read it. And I found the email exchange with Null and them as well, the letter their friend wrote, some other things on Twitter, this HN thread, the other HN thread, skimmed a bit on that KiwiFarms thread. There was a fairly short thread with a bunch of people not being very nice, but that's about it, then nothing for a year, and then Near came back with "I will give you my life savings if you remove…
Repeated or organised ‘harassment’ is called bullying. Bullying is a well accepted cause of suicide. It might not occur straight away, maybe the victim becomes mentally or emotionally unstable as a result and terminates their life some time after the actual events occur. I fail to see a distinctive difference between ‘driving somebody to suicide’ and ‘bullying without the intent to cause suicide’. But sure, downplay…
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> you’re unable to empathise or see perspectives other than your own.
... it gets even worse ... "Agree with my take or you're a monster". Sigh...