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Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by tomjen3 » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:14 PM UTC

hrisng wrote: post #26

xibalba wrote: post #15

This whole format is a dead end. Clubhouse user growth and engagement is stalled out (and likely in decline). Not that Facebook minds. The millions spent cloning Clubhouse are a rounding error on their financial statements.

Probably doesn't help that Clubhouse was iOS-only for a long time. People in the local dev community would now and then suggest a Clubhouse night, but we have to shot it down everytime as it would eliminate a sufficient portion of members. End up using Discord, but definitely would have jumped on the ship, had they not cashing in on exclusivity for so long.

I am still not sure if I can sign up without going on a waiting list and having to share all my personal contacts.

Mind you, at this point I am not even going to try because there are likely too many established players.

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by goodcjw2 » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 10:13 PM UTC

corobo wrote: post #19

goodcjw2 wrote: post #17

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It's probably true that they cannot resist cloning existing feature that's already working. But to cheer you up, FB is putting lots of efforts (rumor goes 10000 folks) working on AR/VR. That's quite a lot innovation :)

Working on putting ads in VR by the sounds of it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27532243

Yeah, that's the part I don't quite appreciate what FB is doing on VR. They heavily subsidize the hardware, pushed lots of competitors out (e.g. Vive is really struggling), then start selling ads once they got dominant position.

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by CharlesW » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 10:35 PM UTC

shp0ngle wrote: post #48

CharlesW wrote: post #45

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That smart and savvy HNers are calling a closed audio medium "podcasting" means that the only important open medium for audio and video distribution is dead. Embrace, extend, extinguish works.

"Podcasting" was coopted by Apple and put to their closed iTunes store almost immediately, haha Podcast Directory in iTunes Music Store is from... 2005 https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2005/06/28Apple-Takes-Podcast...

Your comment proves my point, which is that smart and savvy HNers simply do not understand (and maybe don't care) about companies like Spotify and Facebook misrepresenting their proprietary audio platforms as "podcasting" in their efforts to kneecap and devalue standards-based media distribution. That makes me sad.

Apple Podcasts is a real podcast app. You can open any standard podcast feed in the app and manage it like any other podcast. When you play a podcast, it plays the media as distributed by its creator(s). And when you do, the creators get the data.

As you indirectly note, Apple is mostly responsible for the childhood and adolescent growth of podcasting as an open medium. If they do abandon real podcasting in favor of a proprietary-only, audio-only platform like the ones you're apparently rooting for, I'd guess that they'll be the last to go down.

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by reaperducer » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #42

reaperducer wrote: post #33

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where if I need to pull it back out later on, its almost impossible??? Or, in my wife's case, actually impossible. She's tried repeatedly for almost a year to download "her" data from Facebook. All she gets is a 4GB zip file that when uncompressed has a bunch of mostly empty folders and a 3.5GB "facebook_754893.zip.enc" file. By the filename, I guess it's an encrypted zip file, but nothing will open it. Searching the…

Assuming she would have actually got the data to open, what would you have done with that data? I don't think any service accepts facebook data and convert it into their account. And to me facebook seems like a at the moment conversation platform rather than something I would care to archive or look back into. Genuinely asking the reason people value downloading their fb data so much.

Assuming she would have actually got the data to open, what would you have done with that data?

It's a decade's worth of photographs, so she would have saved it to her computer.

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by varrock » Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 6:15 AM UTC

thatguy0900 wrote: post #44

emilsedgh wrote: post #20

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Clubhouse has been amazing though. I hope it can sustain. Discussions on it are much, much better than Twitter nonsense.

I would assume the discussions are better because they are smaller. Has any online community managed to maintain quality discussions at scale?

Are you speaking about any medium of discussion? If so, Hacker News is a great example.