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Re: “Please don't add any of my stuff to this project”

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Post by Latty »

elmerfud wrote: post #8

Seems like an author that doesn't understand the spirit of FOSS. The nixos team was clearly allowed to use it and include it when asking for some technical merits as to why, and even offering many alternative options to appease the author the author seemed to just childishly stamp their feet and say, "because I said so". Eventually the author took the position of "taking my ball and going home". Why is a person like…

When they offered to fork it completely to avoid the issue and he rejected that, it really just looks bad.

I get being done with something when you've had a bad experience, but the maintainers here went to every effort to accommodate, and did so in a friendly way.

It reads like this guy wanted a fight and an excuse.

I think the correct answer is to just make the fork as proposed and use that instead, it solves the problem and removes the guy from the equation entirely. The fact he rejected it doesn't matter and he can be angry all he wants.

Re: “Please don't add any of my stuff to this project”

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Post by dwelch »

elmerfud wrote: post #8

Seems like an author that doesn't understand the spirit of FOSS. The nixos team was clearly allowed to use it and include it when asking for some technical merits as to why, and even offering many alternative options to appease the author the author seemed to just childishly stamp their feet and say, "because I said so". Eventually the author took the position of "taking my ball and going home". Why is a person like…

I agree. This is kind of bizarre behavior from someone who is such an important contributor to Home Assistant, a large scale open source platform. I can’t imagine most of the leaders in Home Assistant would share this attitude, but maybe I’m wrong.

Re: “Please don't add any of my stuff to this project”

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Post by oauea »

steveklabnik wrote: post #15

I am reminded of jwz, debian, and xscreensaver (Not linking to jwz's blog from HN because... he doesn't want it to be.)

For anyone else interested: http://www.dereferer.org/?https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ejwz%2Eorg%2Fbl... (dereferer because jwz is hostile in case your browser sends referer header)

Re: “Please don't add any of my stuff to this project”

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Post by f311a »

kissgyorgy wrote: post #42

If you don't understand the authors frustration, read Daniel Stenberg blog about what kind of requests he gets about curl. It's insane and ridiculous, not everybody is capable of/wanting to deal with all kinds of shit and hostile users like Daniel.

That's not related to this particular issue though.

Re: “Please don't add any of my stuff to this project”

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

I don't see anything wrong here. I think licensing terms should heavily favor authors, because if you're writing FOSS, you're already giving away intellectual property for free.

You don't need to suffer any degree of support. Software in most cases is literally provided "as-is." There are no fruits to bare from providing something for free. Clout doesn't pay the bills.

I think people get really weird as soon as you cross the threshold of providing something for free versus something for even a nominal amount. As soon as you have to pay anything, it turns people off. Which is a good thing.

Re: “Please don't add any of my stuff to this project”

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Post by esens »

blueblob wrote: post #31
arthurcolle wrote: post #11

Can someone elucidate why he is so against "his" code being used in this project?

I am not the author so I can only speculate. He's anticipating that they will be distributing an out-of-date package and it's simply another place that has to be synchronized. He's saying that there isn't actually a need to host it elsewhere as it can be installed via pip through pypy (his preferred host) which will have up-to-date code. He doesn't want to get bug reports for outdated code.

This is incredibly legitimate reason. Could these repacking be replaced with some type of just proxy/clone that is still the original source?

Re: “Please don't add any of my stuff to this project”

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Post by pfraze »

Hublium wrote: post #36
steveklabnik wrote: post #15

I am reminded of jwz, debian, and xscreensaver (Not linking to jwz's blog from HN because... he doesn't want it to be.)

What's the story here?

If you link to jwz from HN, his server notices the referer header and serves an image that mocks the HN community

Re: “Please don't add any of my stuff to this project”

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Post by dd82 »

prepend wrote: post #14
sneak wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author's wishes are formally and legally specified in the copyright license to the code he wrote, which is MIT and allows redistribution. Everything else is simply noise. Once you make your software free, it isn't yours any longer and your opinions about it (or what others do with it) aren't relevant.

This is why we can’t have nice things. The project could have pinned the version and downloaded from pypi rather than repackaging. This isn’t a situation of “can do” it was “is it nice to do.” And the author mentioned that he’s changing the license to prevent it so it no longer becomes possible legally. I typically don’t like authors demanding stuff outside their license, but this started as a simple technical/commun…

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/126326#issuecomment-86... says why pinning and pulling from pypi wouldn't work

Re: “Please don't add any of my stuff to this project”

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Post by nailer »

CJefferson wrote: post #30
arthurcolle wrote: post #11

Can someone elucidate why he is so against "his" code being used in this project?

I don't have any experience of nix packaging, but I work on a couple of programs when Debian applied some broken patches while packaging, then "we" (upstream) get the bug reports. It's annoying as we don't have any way of fixing it, just have to tell users to uninstall the Debian version.

I mean this very famously happened with OpenSSL - Debian started producing the same keypairs for everyone!
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