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Re: Goodbye Freenode

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Post by mokus »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #28

„I was constantly messaging people telling them to use a competitor and I was banned.“ the entitlement of these people blow my mind.

Thinking you can buy a business relationship with millions of people on a network run mostly by volunteers and expect everyone to start operating it and using it for your benefit instead of for the ideals of their 20+ year community sounds a lot more entitled to me.

The whole idea of purchasing a business for its customer base is pretty disturbing in the first place. I as a customer do not consider my relationship with any business to be a transferable asset.

Re: Goodbye Freenode

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Post by imwillofficial »

I find the quote “never attribute to malice what could be explained by incompetence” to be woefully overused.

People are often petty, mean spirited, and act irrationally. To throw your hands up and say “hey it was a mistake!” Without further reflection on the intention and purpose of an action is setting yourself up for failure.

This does not mean do not be charitable. This means don’t be lazy and rely on a poorly formed quote as an axiom to live your life by. Dig deeper.

Re: Goodbye Freenode

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Post by teakettle42 »

raphlinus wrote: post #8

It is ironic, but not at all surprising to me, that "free speech" in the context of current Freenode means being not enforcing codes of conduct (so being transphobia-friendly among other things), but an iron moderation grip on any criticism of the network itself.

You’re correct; if they actually supported free speech values, criticism of the network should clearly have been allowed, too.

Re: Goodbye Freenode

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Post by gerikson »

Sebb767 wrote: post #13
siraben wrote: post #7

At this point, it has been exceedingly clear that almost every project has jumped ship[0][1]. For weeks the leave list has grown to over 700 while the stay list is at 3. [0] https://github.com/siraben/freenode-exodus [1] https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/

> or weeks the leave list has grown to over 700 while the stay list is at 3. It's more like 1.5 [0]. #techrights stayed and #forth has a bridged setup. The third channel listed is #freenode. [0] https://github.com/siraben/freenode-exodus#projects-and-chan...

#techrights have migrated to their own server and are bridging to Freenode.

Re: Goodbye Freenode

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Post by dangerbird2 »

phoe-krk wrote: post #4

The current Libera Chat[0] is everything that Freenode was before rasengan entered the game: a stable IRC network that goes out of its way to be transparent to the communities and projects that use it and to provide them with stability and network operator support, period. The current Fleenode is nothing that Freenode was before rasengan entered the game: it destroyed the stability of all the projects that previously…

> using the "I'm being cancelled" argument

I love it when people find the most ridiculous things to blame on "cancel culture". This goes toe to toe with Bob Baffert blaming it for being banned from horse racing after his Kentucky Derby winning horse being caught with steroids in his system, and after having his horses failing 31 drug tests over his career.

It's like the "dog ate my homework" of 2021

Re: Goodbye Freenode

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Post by mst »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #36
dTal wrote: post #15

While I agree that Libera is New Freenode and Old Freenode is rapidly dying a death, this whole episode has soured me mightily against Freenode as a whole. This should never have happened in the first place and the blame for it lies squarely at the OldFreenode/Libera admin's feet, not whichever outside actor took advantage of it. The admins are an "old boys network" - not chosen by the community, or elected, but simp…

Agree. It would have been great if the old staff and servers would have merged with OFTC, but it seems this wasn't even considered at any point. Nothing seems to have changed in that relation. But oh well, just another network to connect to until everything has maybe moved off freenode.

Speaking as somebody who dearly loves both libera and oftc, I'm glad there are still -two- major networks for open source stuff.

The past couple months has shown that having too many eggs in a single basket can have unfun consequences, and my ideal future would be things being about 50/50 between libera and oftc so only half my IRC world is likely to be on fire at once.

Re: Goodbye Freenode

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Post by mst »

CyberShadow wrote: post #37
stavros wrote: post #25

I don't understand what the big deal with all this Freenode drama is. It just got renamed to Libera, update your host files and you're done.

I do wonder why the Libera staff didn't kick off the network with a copy of the Freenode user/channel database. Perhaps the Freenode legal entity has a claim to it?

A commitment to privacy and principles.

Fundamentally there was no viable way to get permission from the freenode user base for that in a way that was morally acceptable.

(I'm sure there were legal reasons too but I don't believe the question ever got as far as that being relevant)

Re: Goodbye Freenode

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Post by mst »

phoe-krk wrote: post #4

The current Libera Chat[0] is everything that Freenode was before rasengan entered the game: a stable IRC network that goes out of its way to be transparent to the communities and projects that use it and to provide them with stability and network operator support, period. The current Fleenode is nothing that Freenode was before rasengan entered the game: it destroyed the stability of all the projects that previously…

According to rasengan, in his current incarnation as root, the irccloud thing wasn't accidental:

     what accidental irccloud blanket ban?
     I keep hearing about this?
     I think all of irccloud got k-lined briefly - shit happens
     It's intentional for sure.
     I think someone accidentally removed it.
     is there a public statement about that anywhere?
(and then nobody ever responded as to why, so I'm afraid that's all I know wrt that particular situation)

Re: Goodbye Freenode

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Post by mst »

dangerbird2 wrote: post #56
phoe-krk wrote: post #4

The current Libera Chat[0] is everything that Freenode was before rasengan entered the game: a stable IRC network that goes out of its way to be transparent to the communities and projects that use it and to provide them with stability and network operator support, period. The current Fleenode is nothing that Freenode was before rasengan entered the game: it destroyed the stability of all the projects that previously…

> using the "I'm being cancelled" argument I love it when people find the most ridiculous things to blame on "cancel culture". This goes toe to toe with Bob Baffert blaming it for being banned from horse racing after his Kentucky Derby winning horse being caught with steroids in his system, and after having his horses failing 31 drug tests over his career. It's like the "dog ate my homework" of 2021

While Mr. Lee (and some of his supporters) is also claiming that the criticism of him is due to anti-asian racism.

The phrase "pick a lane" springs to mind.

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