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Re: LinearMouse – A minimal app to get rid of scrolling acceleration on macOS

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Post by smoldesu »

rustyemu wrote: post #40
smoldesu wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the larger concern is that the world's most valuable company can't find the time to fix their window manager.

It's not really broken, it's just not meant for power users

Broken might be a bit heavy-handed, but it's not like I'm chiding some tiny mom-and-pop store for writing bad software. This is Apple, a company that has been developing their current operating system for nearly a decade. In that time, the closest their window manager got to a glow-up was the introduction of split-screen tiling. Pretty pathetic if you ask me, which is why I have to install Yabai on every godforsaken Mac I own. I'm not following them into the ARM transition if they don't fix the basics of their OS.

Re: LinearMouse – A minimal app to get rid of scrolling acceleration on macOS

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Post by smoldesu »

chrisseaton wrote: post #50
smoldesu wrote: post #49

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Sorry, would "functionally inferior" be a more suitable name for it? I've come to expect robust and fully-featured WMs from years of using Windows and Linux, it's a bit funny to me that Apple has just given up in this respect.

Lack of cruft and fuss is a feature though. And how's it not 'robust'?

Lack of cruft is a feature on Linux boxes, where people care about running a lean machine. My Mac is a slow, hulking trash box that runs Telegram and slurps bandwidth through a swizzle-straw. I frankly don't care about how little cruft my WM has when my system idles at 4 gigs of memory usage.

Apple needs a few things to make their WM competitive out of the box: 4/6 corner tiling would probably be a good place to start: split-screen is useless. Hopefully they would have an auto-tile functionality like Yabai, Pop Shell or i3-gaps, since I've come to expect that on my high-res devices too. They should also copy Microsoft's FancyZones, which let you quickly draft window presets to keep your screen divided the way you like it. Any of these would be welcome additions, because currently it feels like my Retina display is being put to waste with only two or three apps all fighting for attention.

Re: LinearMouse – A minimal app to get rid of scrolling acceleration on macOS

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Post by chrisseaton »

smoldesu wrote: post #52
chrisseaton wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of cruft and fuss is a feature though. And how's it not 'robust'?

Lack of cruft is a feature on Linux boxes, where people care about running a lean machine. My Mac is a slow, hulking trash box that runs Telegram and slurps bandwidth through a swizzle-straw. I frankly don't care about how little cruft my WM has when my system idles at 4 gigs of memory usage. Apple needs a few things to make their WM competitive out of the box: 4/6 corner tiling would probably be a good place to star…

They clearly don't need this stuff and they clearly are competitive already, given their market share with developers. I'd hate to see Apple cram in all these wacky features you're describing - I much prefer a simpler system.

Re: LinearMouse – A minimal app to get rid of scrolling acceleration on macOS

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Post by machello13 »

smoldesu wrote: post #36
oneplane wrote: post #32

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I don't get all the mouse hate. It works fine for me yet I'm not calling other's mouse preferences asinine.

I wouldn't be mad if it was a matter of preference, but Apple doesn't give you the choice to disable acceleration. Across every device I've ever used (even Android phones), I've always been able to disable mouse acceleration. For most people who aren't using a trackpad, it feels imprecise and terrible, and it absolutely doesn't make sense in the age of the modern optical mouse. I'm just tired of Apple refusing to add…

> For most people who aren't using a trackpad, it feels imprecise and terrible

Um, are you sure that isn’t because you’re not used to it? I find it feels that way when I’ve switched from Windows or Linux but you get used to it pretty quick.

Re: LinearMouse – A minimal app to get rid of scrolling acceleration on macOS

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Post by albertzeyer »

Funny: I implemented the opposite: A minimal app to increase the scroll acceleration, and also enable scroll acceleration on Linux and Windows.

https://github.com/albertz/mouse-scroll-wheel-acceleration-u...

I really missed scroll acceleration when switching over from Mac to Linux. Scrolling long web pages or big source code files was so annoying. And just increasing the scroll speed is also not useful, as I still want to have the possibility to only scroll a little bit (pixel by pixel) when I want to. So I really want the dynamic acceleration.

This simple tool just implements that in user space, by injecting further scroll events.

Later I tested it also on Mac, where it would just increase the acceleration. And after getting used to it, I really like the increased acceleration.

There is also a long discussion for libinput on adding mouse wheel acceleration: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libinput/libinput/-/issues/7

Re: LinearMouse – A minimal app to get rid of scrolling acceleration on macOS

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Post by gruez »

ribs wrote: post #34

I’ve always considered Apple’s scrolling acceleration to be among its most important features. For, like, 30 years. Since the Mac debuted. But I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that someone out there wants to disable it.

Last time I used a mac with a scroll wheel mouse, I found the scroll acceleration to be rage inducing. If I was slowly turning the wheel (eg. reading through an article), it would scroll one or two lines on the screen, or maybe nothing at all. If I scrolled faster the speed would ramp up and cause me to scroll past half the page. All the muscle memory I had from linear scroll wheels (ie. windows/linux) was basically useless. Maybe macs weren't supposed to be used with clicky scroll wheels, or that mac users can somehow get used to it, but I doubt anyone coming from windows/linux could get used to it.

Re: LinearMouse – A minimal app to get rid of scrolling acceleration on macOS

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Post by monkpit »

gruez wrote: post #56
ribs wrote: post #34

I’ve always considered Apple’s scrolling acceleration to be among its most important features. For, like, 30 years. Since the Mac debuted. But I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that someone out there wants to disable it.

Last time I used a mac with a scroll wheel mouse, I found the scroll acceleration to be rage inducing. If I was slowly turning the wheel (eg. reading through an article), it would scroll one or two lines on the screen, or maybe nothing at all. If I scrolled faster the speed would ramp up and cause me to scroll past half the page. All the muscle memory I had from linear scroll wheels (ie. windows/linux) was basically…

It feels natural if you’re using Mac hardware, like a Magic Mouse or the trackpad.

Re: LinearMouse – A minimal app to get rid of scrolling acceleration on macOS

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Post by rbreaves »

albertzeyer wrote: post #55

Funny: I implemented the opposite: A minimal app to increase the scroll acceleration, and also enable scroll acceleration on Linux and Windows. https://github.com/albertz/mouse-scroll-wheel-acceleration-u... I really missed scroll acceleration when switching over from Mac to Linux. Scrolling long web pages or big source code files was so annoying. And just increasing the scroll speed is also not useful, as I still wa…

I am actually not often bothered by the scroll of a wheel or touchpad on any OS, but I do often need to crank things up on all of them, especially on Windows. I need sensitivity.

I am also the author of https://kinto.sh so if you want some good mac style keybinds it'll have you covered.

Re: LinearMouse – A minimal app to get rid of scrolling acceleration on macOS

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Post by lilyball »

gruez wrote: post #56
ribs wrote: post #34

I’ve always considered Apple’s scrolling acceleration to be among its most important features. For, like, 30 years. Since the Mac debuted. But I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that someone out there wants to disable it.

Last time I used a mac with a scroll wheel mouse, I found the scroll acceleration to be rage inducing. If I was slowly turning the wheel (eg. reading through an article), it would scroll one or two lines on the screen, or maybe nothing at all. If I scrolled faster the speed would ramp up and cause me to scroll past half the page. All the muscle memory I had from linear scroll wheels (ie. windows/linux) was basically…

Could your mouse have had built-in scroll acceleration?

Re: LinearMouse – A minimal app to get rid of scrolling acceleration on macOS

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Post by monkpit »

fatboy wrote: post #38
speedgoose wrote: post #29

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Isn't command + ` switching between windows of the same application? Exposé is not the same no. The option click algorithm that decide how big the window should be hasn't impressed me to say the least.

I agree the window maximising is frustrating in macOS. I use what used to be Spectacle and is now Rectangle to bind a "real" fullscreeen commmand to a key combo. The way the default behaviour creates a new space makes me think that no one in Cupertino uses a second monitor because that behaviour simply does not work if you do.

I just downloaded Spectacle a few days ago. Should I be using Rectangle?
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