Ohboyohboyohboy, it seems I dodged bullet with an idea that I had 5-6 years ago that was very similar to this guy's: My idea was to sit beside a sign that said something along the lines of "Celebrate yourself Through Poetry" in the morning in downtown Chicago in front of a large office building. People going in would commission a poem in the morning, I would finish it and write it in calligraphy on a nice piece of pa…
I am an object of internet ridicule, ask me anything (2013)
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Re: I am an object of internet ridicule, ask me anything (2013)
#52Scene, hipster, emo, goth, etc. all but disappeared. Most of the people who would have fallen in one of the aforementioned groups a decade ago are now non-binary, gender fluid, etc. They found a way to tie their identity to their humanity so now it's bigoted to scoff and laugh at them. Have any social psychologists studied this phenomenon? It's a great defense mechanism that seems to be working quite well.
> Scene, hipster, emo, goth, etc. all but disappeared.
Have you not noticed what's replaced these? We have hundreds of subcultures: weebs, dank memers, bronies, demoscene, lifehackers, outside, Bitcoin, competitive Pokémon… What you're seeing is a change in who you're bullying, not a change in reality.
Re: I am an object of internet ridicule, ask me anything (2013)
#53Scene, hipster, emo, goth, etc. all but disappeared. Most of the people who would have fallen in one of the aforementioned groups a decade ago are now non-binary, gender fluid, etc. They found a way to tie their identity to their humanity so now it's bigoted to scoff and laugh at them. Have any social psychologists studied this phenomenon? It's a great defense mechanism that seems to be working quite well.
Having a name for something can be powerful.
Re: I am an object of internet ridicule, ask me anything (2013)
#54Ohboyohboyohboy, it seems I dodged bullet with an idea that I had 5-6 years ago that was very similar to this guy's: My idea was to sit beside a sign that said something along the lines of "Celebrate yourself Through Poetry" in the morning in downtown Chicago in front of a large office building. People going in would commission a poem in the morning, I would finish it and write it in calligraphy on a nice piece of pa…
Right location and nobody will blink.
Re: I am an object of internet ridicule, ask me anything (2013)
#55Ohboyohboyohboy, it seems I dodged bullet with an idea that I had 5-6 years ago that was very similar to this guy's: My idea was to sit beside a sign that said something along the lines of "Celebrate yourself Through Poetry" in the morning in downtown Chicago in front of a large office building. People going in would commission a poem in the morning, I would finish it and write it in calligraphy on a nice piece of pa…
You might get some takers if you did it in a college town, but as you probably know poetry is not exactly the hottest selling genre of literature... and finding people that read at all is hard enough. You'd probably have a much easier time offering to write dirty jokes.. or juggling. What people want on the streets is a spectacle... the louder and more garish the better.
Re: I am an object of internet ridicule, ask me anything (2013)
#56“ After I posted, the message board thread’s climate changed immediately. Not unlike real life, people were complimentary and kind. Many people deleted their mean comments — one person was so embarrassed for threatening to smash my typewriter that he apologized to me, and then went through and started trying to make other haters apologize.” This is deeply familiar to me and is amazing to see in action. I regularly re…
Re: I am an object of internet ridicule, ask me anything (2013)
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not random. Someone in stereotypical metalhead attire is unlikely to be called a hipster for it, neither is someone dressed in punk fashion, nor a goth or a jock, etc... well, they won't by a anyone with half a clue as to what the identifying features of these subcultures are. The negativity comes from people assuming that hipsters think they're cool, but (according to their critics) they're not... it's kind of…
It's not exactly because they "think they're cool", it's because hipsters reject cheap mass-market consumer goods and embrace expensive one-off artsy goods, while simultaneously adopting poverty aesthetics like wearing old second hand clothes and recycling everything. They're seen, perhaps unfairly, as rich gentrifiers.
I blame this on the deification of schadenfreude in popular culture. The advent of reality TV, and the prurient interest in other people's pain exemplified by the afternoon talk shows that predated it, gives us all not only the opportunity, but the permission and encouragement to feel like we're superior to others because of some dehumanizing glimpse into an uncontextualized portion of their private lives.
What a different world we might have if society cultivated a sense of humility, a 'hey, none of us are perfect and we're all out here struggling and I wish us all the best' mentality.
But then, fostering divisions and appealing to our baser, more ignoble instincts is more beneficial, both in terms of profit and also 'divide and conquer' social control.
Re: I am an object of internet ridicule, ask me anything (2013)
#58Scene, hipster, emo, goth, etc. all but disappeared. Most of the people who would have fallen in one of the aforementioned groups a decade ago are now non-binary, gender fluid, etc. They found a way to tie their identity to their humanity so now it's bigoted to scoff and laugh at them. Have any social psychologists studied this phenomenon? It's a great defense mechanism that seems to be working quite well.
It's no longer as socially-acceptable to bully strangers for being “weirdos”. Is that it? > Scene, hipster, emo, goth, etc. all but disappeared. Have you not noticed what's replaced these? We have hundreds of subcultures: weebs, dank memers, bronies, demoscene, lifehackers, outside, Bitcoin, competitive Pokémon… What you're seeing is a change in who you're bullying, not a change in reality.
Not at all. People/children still bully each other, always have, always will. Now they can easily bully each other through social media, relentlessly.
>Have you not noticed what's replaced these? We have hundreds of subcultures: weebs, dank memers, bronies, demoscene, lifehackers, outside, Bitcoin, competitive Pokémon… What you're seeing is a change in who you're bullying, not a change in reality.
You may have missed the "etc." part of my original post. Weebs, bronies, Pokemon/gamers, etc. were all alive and well during the scene/emo/etc. times, they weren't "replaced", they live concurrently.
Something else is going on, but it's definitely not "bullying is no longer socially-acceptable". It hasn't been "socially-acceptable" for decades at this point.
Re: I am an object of internet ridicule, ask me anything (2013)
#59Ohboyohboyohboy, it seems I dodged bullet with an idea that I had 5-6 years ago that was very similar to this guy's: My idea was to sit beside a sign that said something along the lines of "Celebrate yourself Through Poetry" in the morning in downtown Chicago in front of a large office building. People going in would commission a poem in the morning, I would finish it and write it in calligraphy on a nice piece of pa…
The service you would be providing has been, in a way, so normalized over the past 5+ years in the digital form (people doing poems/paintings/various other art-related things on commission on public streams; entire successful companies built around a similar premise, just look at Cameo), that your proposition starts sounding more and more "normal" as the time goes.
And I don't care if the poetry is not good, as you claim you have no skills. Authenticity is what matters here. And you are being absolutely self-aware about your skills, which only adds to authenticity. Especially given the more minimalistic/industrial/lo-fi (not related to "lo-fi hiphop" type of stuff) direction that popular art has been moving in for the past few years.
Plus, I am willing to bet that after you do it for a month, even if you did it only for a few days each week, your poetry writing skill would shoot up massively. You use software to assist you? Even cooler, as long as there is still a significant human element in the process, and it ain't just some publicly available software doing 100% of the work for you (because at this point, I could use it myself; there is a reason people pay for concerts instead of listening to perfectly recorded and mastered music replayed on speakers at concert venues).
I will say this, though. Given it is a physical version of that successful digital approach i've mentioned, you got additional pros and cons. The pro is that the physical element makes it feel more "real", thus people are willing to pay more and more often. The con is that your success and viability, at least at first, will very very heavily depend on the location of choice where you are thinking of doing that.
Re: I am an object of internet ridicule, ask me anything (2013)
#60I don't know if there's a named maxim for this phenomenon, but something I learned on Twitter is that everything you say can be interpreted in bad faith. This can be done on purpose, or it just happens because there's not enough shared context to connect how you read something to what the other person was trying to say. (Also, while a picture still says 1000 words, I've never had less faith in the veracity of those w…