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Courtney Love does the math (2000)

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Re: Courtney Love does the math (2000)

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Post by jmmcd »

rms wrote: post #49
joejohnson wrote: post #2

I can't believe Courtney Love wrote this. I had a low oppinion of her, but this seems really well written. Also, she's a fan of Neal Stephenson? That quote almost makes me wonder if this were written by some nerd and attributed to her...

Don't worry, she basically plagiarized it from Steve Albini. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=79162 (I still find it really satisfying when I google for something I know is true and find myself as the #1 advocate of it on Google -- in this case the search "steve albini courtney love plagiarism")

Nonsense. The Albini article covers a lot less ground and has far fewer ideas. In particular it says nothing about alternative distribution models or the internet.

Re: Courtney Love does the math (2000)

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Post by runjake »

dasil003 wrote: post #23
runjake wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What $random industry doesn't operate by exploiting $random people? It's the same for programmers and rock stars, unless you go the DIY/startup route.

Programmers are creative people.

That was my point exactly.

Re: Courtney Love does the math (2000)

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Post by michaelpinto »

dasil003 wrote: post #23
runjake wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What $random industry doesn't operate by exploiting $random people? It's the same for programmers and rock stars, unless you go the DIY/startup route.

Programmers are creative people.

The best programmers are creative in their work, but that's different than being a creative professional. The programming equivalent of a creative (not the verb but a noun) is the person who comes up with the next big thing, or at least tries to do this. Woz, Bill Gates, Zuck, etc. all fall into this category -- but the person slinging .net code to keep an insurance database isn't in the same category. And those in that later group are engineers, and there's nothing wrong with being an engineer -- but that's different than being an architect or a product designer if you know what I mean.

Re: Courtney Love does the math (2000)

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Post by markeroon »

wtvanhest wrote: post #46
zinkem wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the cost problem has largely been solved. Someone can throw together a DAW for $2 or $3k and start creating really great sounding music following hours of practice. I think most young musicians know about and go this route when they are learning. The world Courtney Love is from is the old world, where you needed a specialist to do all these different jobs. You needed to pay a producer, engineers, buy studio t…

Can you give an example of a band that recorded a CD for $3K? I'm curious what that sounds like.

I may be wrong, but I recall that the first Arcade Fire LP (Funeral) was recorded very cheaply. It's a very unique sounding record, in a good way.

Re: Courtney Love does the math (2000)

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Post by Animus7 »

michaelpinto wrote: post #54
dasil003 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Programmers are creative people.

The best programmers are creative in their work, but that's different than being a creative professional. The programming equivalent of a creative (not the verb but a noun) is the person who comes up with the next big thing, or at least tries to do this. Woz, Bill Gates, Zuck, etc. all fall into this category -- but the person slinging .net code to keep an insurance database isn't in the same category. And those in t…

No, I don't know what you mean. Woz, Gates, and Zuck made names for themselves with good execution on the right idea at the right time.

While admirable, that's not exactly the definition of "creativity" in my books, especially not in the programming sense.

In fact, I would speculate that somewhere out there, there are .net DBA code monkeys doing more creative things to keep an aging insurance database infrastructure from collapsing than Zuckerberg did for facebook.

Re: Courtney Love does the math (2000)

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Post by HunterLM »

yid wrote: post #11
joejohnson wrote: post #9

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First, I don't think anyone in Green Day has a PhD. Second, I wasn't surprised because she was a women, or a musician, or because she was part of the grunge scene. I know there are lots of smart women, and lots of smart women in music. I wasn't saying anything about a correlation between gender and intelligence or professions and intelligence. I was suprised because she's Courtney Love, and most of what I've read and…

My bad about Green Day -- it was the Offspring I was thinking about (can't blame me, they're almost interchangeable as bands). On the other hand, rockers with PhDs: Dexter Holland from Offspring (molecular biology, but dropped out with a masters) Greg Gaffin from Bad Religion (zoology, 2007) Brian May from Queen (astrophysics) James Lilja from Offspring (medical degree, not PhD) Sterling Morrison from the Velvet Unde…

I've done a lot of work for Dexter Holland in the past (and a little for Bad Religion but I never met Graffin) and I can vouch for him being a seriously smart guy.

Accomplished pilot, small business owner and inventor (several patents on LBS stuff from early 90s).

Re: Courtney Love does the math (2000)

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Post by HunterLM »

wtvanhest wrote: post #46
zinkem wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the cost problem has largely been solved. Someone can throw together a DAW for $2 or $3k and start creating really great sounding music following hours of practice. I think most young musicians know about and go this route when they are learning. The world Courtney Love is from is the old world, where you needed a specialist to do all these different jobs. You needed to pay a producer, engineers, buy studio t…

Can you give an example of a band that recorded a CD for $3K? I'm curious what that sounds like.

Nirvana's 'Bleach' was famously recorded for $600 in a really cheap Seattle studio.

Not the best sounding record but when you have no money, you do what you can.

Re: Courtney Love does the math (2000)

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Post by blackboxxx »

rms wrote: post #49
joejohnson wrote: post #2

I can't believe Courtney Love wrote this. I had a low oppinion of her, but this seems really well written. Also, she's a fan of Neal Stephenson? That quote almost makes me wonder if this were written by some nerd and attributed to her...

Don't worry, she basically plagiarized it from Steve Albini. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=79162 (I still find it really satisfying when I google for something I know is true and find myself as the #1 advocate of it on Google -- in this case the search "steve albini courtney love plagiarism")

After reading both articles I'm left wondering what wacko liberal definition of plagiarism are you going with anyway?

Re: Courtney Love does the math (2000)

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Post by lr »

gaius wrote: post #32
api wrote: post #6

Generally speaking, the creative industries are full of people and businesses that operate by screwing over creative people. They view creative people the way a miner views a resource in the ground: as something to be strip mined and then discarded. I've encountered raw contempt... in a sense they are jealous of the ability of creative people to be creative, and this fuels their desire to co-opt it and take some of t…

This is quite literally true; many organizations even refer to their employees as resources . But strangely, managers aren't PowerPoint resources .

Absolutely! There is even a PeopleSoft module called HCM: Human Capital Management.
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