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Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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It's a bit distressing how organizations try so hard to keep a good reputation all the time. I mean, is it really that bad to publically admit that you are composed of people with questionable morals? For example, in the first company I used to work, I was always bitching about how things could improve. I got fired because I was "bringing the moral down" and was "working against the company". I could see why they wou…

People don't know how to disagree anymore. It's disheartening, because I like a good disagreement and the deep debates that can come out of them ... that is, as long as the conversation is void of emotional temper-tantrums (and in a lot of cases these days, fear of cancel-culture.)

On the internet, anyone can drop in and out of any conversation they want. Combine that concept with anonymity/the ability to disparage people you will never meet, and you've got a recipe for disagreements starting from positions of extreme toxicity.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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post #28

It's a bit distressing how organizations try so hard to keep a good reputation all the time. I mean, is it really that bad to publically admit that you are composed of people with questionable morals? For example, in the first company I used to work, I was always bitching about how things could improve. I got fired because I was "bringing the moral down" and was "working against the company". I could see why they wou…

I obviously don't know your situation, but there's a difference between giving useful feedback and just constantly bitching about everything. You also have to consider that maybe you didn't have the full picture, and there actually was a good reason for what was being done, even though that would be a management failure to not convey why something needed to be done.

I was always ready to be part of the solution, so I don't think I was being empty when complaining about things. But I have to add that I wasn't maximizing for appearing polite. I never cross the line of not being respectful, though.

Indeed, the management could have a different idea of what was an ideal direction. I just happened to disagree. It was a very small company, so I don't think I had a lot of different information. But even if that was the case, this was a good opportunity to have a perhaps heated but interesting discussion.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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I’m confused. So YC kicked out the guy who complained about it on Twitter and not the people who advocated for lying to skip lines? Wtf?

Is it really that out of character for a tech VC company to have no objections to "disrupting" government processes?

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Critique is good but depends on whether it is constructive or not constructive. And that’s a bit of a subjective call

Maybe I have a minority opinion, but critique does not always need to be constructive.

What would you say the purpose or goal is of unconstructive critique?

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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post #36

We're about to see the Streisand Effect in action.

I agree that it’ll get more attention than it otherwise would, but I think that is a desirable outcome for YC. The more people who see the message “if you publicly badmouth us, you will be punished” the better for them.

The message that I'm getting is mostly "YC is full of assholes like Praful Mathur".

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is getting off-topic, but the US is like the motherland of telling other people how they should behave. Look up any of the "public freakout" videos, they're 80% each side trying to explain why what the other side did was wrong, all the while not realizing that pretty much nobody cares about their opinion and is just there to watch the drama for a few minutes. Every single "Karen" video is full of self-righteousn…

That's all true. But US internet culture has changed dramatically in the past few years. And it's not just "eternal September". I miss the early years. There are still vestiges left. Some public intellectuals still respond to unsolicited email from strangers.

> Some public intellectuals still respond to unsolicited email from strangers.

Fauci is on that list, isn't he? I was kinda surprised to learn that from the email dump. I figured his email would be thoroughly filtered.

Of course, whether he actually qualifies as an intellectual seems up for debate these days.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Good for YC. I don't understand why someone would assume that publicly causing drama for the company that is supporting them would be tolerated.

People think that because some opinion of theirs is justified, all consequences related to any public behavior based of that opinion should be nullified. Well, reality seems to frequently think otherwise.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

#59
post #33

When did public denunciations become popular in the US? I know they've been a part of the Chinese internet since the early days. It wasn't always so intense in the US.

Jesus how does everything bad about the world end up China related these days

To be fair, the CCP seems to put forth a fair amount of effort doing things that are prime targets for widespread criticism.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

#60

The person who the original tweet was referring to (it's not private; they admitted it), just tweeted a GIF about "witnessing karma". https://twitter.com/Prafulfillment/status/140093402468041523... EDIT: Reply on HN by the author: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27400221

Nice to see that everyone involved are definitely fully grown adults.
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