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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage.

* Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation.

* I often do/did paired programming, and over-the-shoulder code reviews. These are easier in person

* Having a workforce socially close improves productivity because everyone wants to step up for each other.

* Being seen by my fellow employees helps keep me from becoming distracted.

* Working at the office helps prevent home life from being distracting during work hours.

There are some personal benefits I enjoy from being in the office.

* I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity.

* I enjoy the routine.

* I had a stronger work/life separation. I rarely turned on my work laptop at home.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I would argue that your children will learn non-verbal communication even better with masks on. It encourages alternative methods of conversing and challenges you to be a better listener and more attentive student. Honestly I don't know why we didn't do this in elementary school just for the hell of it!

Call me a backwards traditionalist but I prefer to keep social skill development that has worked for millennia.

That’s how websites like this one came about actually: “ backwards traditionalist”. Also the internet, ICE, industrial revolution, etc. We just kept doing what worked for millennia.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

We should stop kids from wearing the masks. The covid risk for the kids are miniscule and masks do not stop covid anyway.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coron... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/...

The risks are lower, not miniscule. Some are also vulnerable to MIS-C. Masks do not stop covid for adults either, should adults stop wearing masks? (No.) Children are also potentially infectious.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

We should stop kids from wearing the masks. The covid risk for the kids are miniscule and masks do not stop covid anyway.

Masks are critical for dampening the potential for spread. The goal is not entirely to mitigate risk for the kid themselves, but of spread to their household that leads to increased likelihood of deaths.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

#56
What’s interesting is that this is NOT a hybrid model, as Google has done[1]. As i understand this _everyone_ is in an office Mon, Tue, Thu. This is a better situation IMO then some people always being remote and others being in person.

1 - Google lets up to 20% of employees permanently work from home: https://www.npr.org/2021/05/06/994123311/google-adapts-to-lo...

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Why? Because of the already sunk cost into office space? Any other reasons? I know I can drive 40 min and stare at the same laptop and email/zoom with the same people. What’s in it for me? All I see is unnecessary agony, and a lot of it. I produce more from home. Why does an employer want me to suffer more, even if it will cost them? What’s in it for them?

I do think expecting every employee to sit in an office for 8 hours a day every day is almost certainly unnecessary. That said, I also think it's unfair and disingenuous to suggest that there's absolutely no value whatsoever to colocation. It's possible that we can replicate much of the physical interaction's value through fully remote work, but my experience is that we're not there yet.

It really depends on the work you're doing. And even for a single employee, it can change from one month to the next. But highly collaborative work can benefit from spontaneous interactions, more ambiguous work can benefit from live whiteboarding sessions, and more generally, teams can develop greater cohesion and stronger relationships through shared experience. Not every person needs this, and certainly not all the time, but to suggest that it's unimaginable that anyone could ever derive greater value (or that a collective organization could ever derive greater value) from in-person work is disappointing.

Remote work has its place. In-person work has its place. Neither is the solution 100% of the time.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

We should stop kids from wearing the masks. The covid risk for the kids are miniscule and masks do not stop covid anyway.

seatbelts don't stop people dying in car crashes, hospitals don't stop people dying from injuries,

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote."

CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the world or be around 'creative people'. It's generally the leadership teams at companies that think it's great to be in the office but that's because they've sacrificed a lot to get where they are and they care deeply about their job and the company. The majority of people just want to earn some money and do it as easily as possible. I think companies not offering full remote work options will see a lot of employee turnover and will have to change their policy very quickly.

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