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Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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post #28

The caa.gov.by news release has a much more complete (Belarusian-sourced) transcript than the edited Reuters one: http://caa.gov.by/ru/news-ru/view/1-203/ EDIT: copy-pasta from (Belarusian) source https://gist.github.com/SpComb/849b97bae720cb77ab4c43ef92dae...

You can not possibly trust their version.

Indeed, based on the caa.gov.by domain this is presumably an authentic/official Belarus release, so you need to interpret it as such - it's their version of the story.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#52
post #19

> ATC: They say code is red. Shouldn't ATC just say the code is red instead of trying to distance him/herself from it? Could any pilots here provide more context?

Private pilot here. ATC are usually trained to follow very specific dialogues, and pilots are trained to expect them. ATC and pilots are also together in somewhat of a fraternity. This would be a very unusual dialogue and so it makes sense to me that the ATC would feel the need to decorate the instruction, given that it is not one the pilot nor ATC would have ever participated in before.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#53
post #28

The caa.gov.by news release has a much more complete (Belarusian-sourced) transcript than the edited Reuters one: http://caa.gov.by/ru/news-ru/view/1-203/ EDIT: copy-pasta from (Belarusian) source https://gist.github.com/SpComb/849b97bae720cb77ab4c43ef92dae...

"Resource Limit Is Reached" :-(

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Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#54
post #44
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely not usual. As for the pilot being suspicious, I agree. The plane was also only about 30 km (=2-3 min flying time) from the Lithuanian border. Imagine if the pilot had decided to make the attempt. A Belarusian MiG violating NATO airspace?

Russian airforces regularly violates NATO airspace in Norway. They never get any consequences for it, so why wouldn't they?

Because a MiG firing on a NATO-country airplane that's in NATO airspace is definitely sound reason of invoking NATO Art 5

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#55

This is actually a good development. A number of countries purporting to hold the highest standards on human rights were actually the ones to use this tactic of diverting flights to apprehended those they deemed to be their enemies. I am referring to the United States and EU countries in the Snowden case and other cases before that. They lowered the bar first. Now Belarus joined to the new level. It’ll be interesting…

Citation please?

Not hard, but can read CNN here: https://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/02/world/americas/bolivia-pr...

The irony of using CNN as a cite though... :)

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#56
post #43

This is actually a good development. A number of countries purporting to hold the highest standards on human rights were actually the ones to use this tactic of diverting flights to apprehended those they deemed to be their enemies. I am referring to the United States and EU countries in the Snowden case and other cases before that. They lowered the bar first. Now Belarus joined to the new level. It’ll be interesting…

I don’t get why comments mentioning the forced landing of Morales’ plane in Austria, and searching for Snowden in the plane (under Obama) get downvoted. US/EU made a precedent and now everyone is surprised when Lukashenko simply copied their tactics.

>> the forced landing of Morales’ plane in Austria, and searching for Snowden in the plane

I hadn't heard about that. Any good references?

Edit: Found it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#57
post #7

> Pilot: Again, this recommendation to divert to Minsk where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did it come from departure airport authorities or arrival airport authorities? Is it usual for a pilot to ask for all this information? From a "casual reader" perspective, it looks like the pilot really did not want to divert, but this might just be my reading.

PIC is ultimately responsible for safety of flight, not controllers or authorities. Given the unusual message which is essentially asking the pilot to declare emergency and oddly specific instructions to divert I don't think this is unusual. Normally in an emergency the pilot would divert to either the filed alternate airport or to another at the pilot's discretion, they would not be told specifically where to go (th…

For people casually interested in this. What is PIC?

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#58

Unbelievable that they'd go through this charade to arrest ~Snowden~ Protasevich.

Every time someone makes this comparison all it does is strengthen Lukashenko and Putin's propaganda machine. It doesn't help Protasevich, it doesn't help Snowden, and it doesn't create room for any positive political change.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PIC is ultimately responsible for safety of flight, not controllers or authorities. Given the unusual message which is essentially asking the pilot to declare emergency and oddly specific instructions to divert I don't think this is unusual. Normally in an emergency the pilot would divert to either the filed alternate airport or to another at the pilot's discretion, they would not be told specifically where to go (th…

For people casually interested in this. What is PIC?

Pilot in command
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