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Yeah and when you pay for a cinema ticket you still have to see the actors drinking conveniently angled cans of coke
There's a difference between product placement and intrusive ads that interrupt content for minutes at a time. YouTube Premium customers paid to get rid of the latter.
YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?
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Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?
#52Would migrating to the modern Safari extension API, which permits JavaScript injection into pages, be a better path forward here for this website modification tool?
Safari on macOS supports executing custom JS on web pages since forever, regardless of what version of API is used. It’s not supported on iOS, though.
Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I do agree that I deprive Google of some revenue, not watching ads is not stealing. Otherwise, whole US would be in jail for going to the toilet during Friends commercials. :) Ad blockers simply automate that process for me. I love supporting creators via Patreon. I hate feeding a giant that will any day turn against both creaters and viewers. Not sure if I'm rationalising or defending creators.
Your pretending to care about creators but giving them nothing. If you stopped visiting youtube but used other platforms and gave sure.. but it doesn't sound like that is happening.
Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?
#54There's some misconceptions being put forth in the article which I, as a developer of a Safari ad blocker, would like to address. Content blockers are limited by design to ensure privacy and speed, but they may work together with other kinds of Safari extension. So, when AdGuard guys say that the only debugging tool you can use is Console, know that this isn’t true. There’s SFSafariExtensionHandler API which you can…
> There’s SFSafariExtensionHandler API which you can use with blockers as another extension with higher privileges to track who blocked what.
I am not sure what you mean here. This API (available only on macOS) does allow injecting scripts and stylesheets, it does not provide any feasible debugging tools. Granted, you may inject a script that will get some information about what's blocked, but it's far from what's required.
Just compare what Safari provides with AdGuard's filtering log on any other platform or with uBlock Origin's log. The lack of such tool is the main reason filters maintainers avoid dealing with Safari.
> Compiling speed, for the process that happens once the blocker rules json is changed, is irrelevant for the users
Compiling speed is the reason for the rules limitation.
> There's also some rules that don’t match 1 to 1, but it isn’t something that can’t be solved.
Unfortunately, there is something that cannot be solved, and YT is a great example of that something.
> The number of rules limit is a non-issue
I have to disagree here.
We're not dealing with EasyList alone, there're many other lists (regional lists for instance). You may say - okay, let's split them all to different content blockers. There's a serious problem with that, though. Different content blockers are completely independent. However, that's not how those lists are being developed - there're lists that are supposed to influence each other.
Let's take the simple example - unblocking something. For instance, here is the most obvious example that happens all the time. There may be a regional list that unblocks something blocked by EasyList (or EasyPrivacy) because this "something" breaks an important website in that region. Putting EasyList into one content blocker and the regional list into another breaks the regional list.
> And the most important thing. It seems that AdGuard guys don’t get why content blockers in Safari don’t run scripts. It’s privacy. But Safari itself doesn’t prevent you from doing that, only not as a part of content blocker extension that is privacy-safe.
We accept that argument despite me being literally sick of hearing it (so there's privacy on iOS, but no privacy on macOS since scripts are allowed to extensions there, okaay).
What's important is that we do not propose allowing running arbitrary scripts. We propose extending the declarative API in a controlled manner and it does not conflict with Safari vision.
Also, that's just one of the feature requests (and bug reports) reported over the years.
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Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?
#55The battle between ad platforms and users is going to be never ending. For YouTube, the _right_ thing to do is to pay for the premium option which removes ads. Otherwise as difficult as it is to say, you are getting something for nothing and people do make a living from YouTube videos. Ok, maybe you can contribute to a patreon outside of YouTube, but you’re not going to do that for everyone and those videos are not s…
I would pay to get rid of ads. The only problem is that I would need to log into YouTube to take advantage of that. If I log into YouTube, that requires me to be logged into Google everywhere and I do not want that at all. The only solution is to use Firefox containerization or use separate browsers or separate browser profiles for things and I'm not going to do any of those because all of those options are annoying…
You can use Firefox Containers to sandbox Google logins.
Alternatively, you can use a different browser when accessing Google-owned websites.
Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?
#56It's because of things like this—not to mention the added overhead/middleman—that I think ad blocking at the DNS level is the best way to go. With both Android and iOS supporting encrypted DNS system-wide, blocking at the DNS level is more convenient than ever (mobile & wifi are covered, no need to set DNS for each wifi network, etc.). I realize of course, though, that DNS level blocking is mostly a non-starter with…
Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would, but: 1. I feel a 45% cut to YouTube is too big. Compare that to Patreon, which takes 5%. Granted YouTube offers a lot more for their cut, but the difference feels too big, especially given point 2 below. 2. YouTube is extremely untransparent about revenue sharing, so it feels like I'm paying Google, not the creators. So give me more transparency and take a smaller cut, and I'll be happy to disable my ad bloc…
> I feel a 45% cut to YouTube is too big YouTube is offering up the tech behind streaming the videos, the storage, the bandwidth, the development work on both the client and server ends, and the ongoing payment processing. As well as the audience install-base. And this isn't a situation where the end users are paying for the software via buying hardware from Google (Pixels being the exception) like it would be with j…
Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?
#58Despite the title being about YouTube, this is fundamentally about Safari's declarative Content Blocker API being totally inadequate in the face of modern ad delivery technologies. Yes, it's fast and relatively more secure compared to old ad blocking techniques (which requires granting full access to effectively arbitrary JS), but ad tech has evolved since 2015 and Safari's Content Blocking API has not evolved with i…
Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?
#59The battle between ad platforms and users is going to be never ending. For YouTube, the _right_ thing to do is to pay for the premium option which removes ads. Otherwise as difficult as it is to say, you are getting something for nothing and people do make a living from YouTube videos. Ok, maybe you can contribute to a patreon outside of YouTube, but you’re not going to do that for everyone and those videos are not s…
But Google is going to use my data for advertising, with or without premium. An adblocker gives me the luxury of not seeing ads while keeping my data private.
Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I feel a 45% cut to YouTube is too big YouTube is offering up the tech behind streaming the videos, the storage, the bandwidth, the development work on both the client and server ends, and the ongoing payment processing. As well as the audience install-base. And this isn't a situation where the end users are paying for the software via buying hardware from Google (Pixels being the exception) like it would be with j…
While this is all true, it doesn't obviously counter the GP's contention. It's a good argument as to why YouTube's cut isn't the same as Patreon's, but that doesn't mean that 45% isn't to high.