In a twisted sort of way I am happy to see these types of ransomware attacks making headlines. Before it was much harder to quantify how much a breach might cost but with ransomeware you get a fuzzy lower bound. Also the prevalence of these attacks might actually make us all safer in the long run.
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#52Perhaps we should pass a law that no utilities / infrastructure should be attached to the internet. Private networks are fine for this purpose.
I think the issue there is data, even on critical infra. Modernization, reliability and the such require data analysis. There are definitely ‘strong’ ways of protecting the assets and mitigating attack vectors, but almost no way to eliminate them entirely. For example, event if you isolate the process computers you’ll typically have an interface node that presents the data up a level (hopefully to a DMZ). Obviously you can be compromised if that interface node is.
Some critical infra is air gapped though. Other systems implement SIS systems in parallel with general process systems to mitigate catastrophic failure further.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cryptocurrency, not math and cryptography. Cryptocurrency is a bunch of people thinking their bets are more important than the government's control levers of monetary and fiscal policy. They'd rather make a quick buck and disregard the fact that this takes away our government's sovereignty. Our government's ability to bail out the economy, protect its most vulnerable. It's more important that the Winklevosses and ear…
It isn’t, and you might be a little misinformed. But it’s ok, you can scream into the abyss as long as you like. We don’t want to cure cancer (don’t know how). We want to free the world of the tyranny of central banking, debt-based economies and theft of savings through inflation. It is a noble endeavor. Selfishness is continuing along the old broken road. There are new, better ones.
How do cryptocurrencies save you from a debt based economy or inflation? Don't you still need to pay for goods and services in the same debt-based economy? How does the flavor of money change whether someone needs to go into debt? What would prevent cryptocurrency values from inflating or deflating?
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#54In case it hasn't crossed your mind yet Its the chinese
What, blaming Russia doesn't bring the same satisfaction anymore?
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#55In a twisted sort of way I am happy to see these types of ransomware attacks making headlines. Before it was much harder to quantify how much a breach might cost but with ransomeware you get a fuzzy lower bound. Also the prevalence of these attacks might actually make us all safer in the long run.
Absolutely, it's better to have a ransomware attack against the workstations instead of a more developed attack that blew the pipeline up.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn’t, and you might be a little misinformed. But it’s ok, you can scream into the abyss as long as you like. We don’t want to cure cancer (don’t know how). We want to free the world of the tyranny of central banking, debt-based economies and theft of savings through inflation. It is a noble endeavor. Selfishness is continuing along the old broken road. There are new, better ones.
How do cryptocurrencies save you from a debt based economy or inflation? Don't you still need to pay for goods and services in the same debt-based economy? How does the flavor of money change whether someone needs to go into debt? What would prevent cryptocurrency values from inflating or deflating?
It's best not to ask. I'm starting to believe that these people are exhibiting cult-like behavior at this point.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn’t, and you might be a little misinformed. But it’s ok, you can scream into the abyss as long as you like. We don’t want to cure cancer (don’t know how). We want to free the world of the tyranny of central banking, debt-based economies and theft of savings through inflation. It is a noble endeavor. Selfishness is continuing along the old broken road. There are new, better ones.
How do cryptocurrencies save you from a debt based economy or inflation? Don't you still need to pay for goods and services in the same debt-based economy? How does the flavor of money change whether someone needs to go into debt? What would prevent cryptocurrency values from inflating or deflating?
I think the answer to those questions has been answered more eloquently elsewhere. They are good questions, and have complex and nuanced answers. I wish you luck
in your quest.
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#58So, two possible responses by the government to the current increase in these kinds of attacks: 1) blame the lack of computer security in our infrastructure, and work on improving that 2) blame cybercurrencies, and try to eliminate them Any bets on which one our government will choose?
That's quite a strawperson - it creates a fictional story and then criticize the characters. The U.S. government has been addressing computer security in infrastructure for a long time.
...which is why these sorts of attacks almost never occur and are always so resource intensive that no criminal would ever think of doing so for ransom?
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#60Connecting infrastructure to the internet is something that is done for many reasons. It would be a vast improvement of security if most of those connections went through a data diode[1] and only allowed monitoring.
Knowing what is happening now with critical infrastructure, through the internet, can be done in a completely safe manner. It is a solved problem.