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Re: Tip Jar

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Post by dangrossman » Fri, May 07, 2021, 1:22 AM UTC

seibelj wrote: post #29

encryptluks2 wrote: post #26

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So people can get a $30 fee to tip $1?

You surely don’t think that actual dollars settle every time you pay with a credit card, Venmo, or PayPal? You realize that settlement takes weeks? Micro-paying with Bitcoin on a centralized platform like PayPal is essentially the same as dollars. Final settlement in BTC can come later when someone wants to withdraw their balance.

Credit card settlements happen next business day, not after weeks. Venmo and PayPal transactions settle instantly. You can spend the money immediately. PayPal also supports instant bank transfers, so you can transfer it out and withdraw it from an ATM as cash a minute later if you'd like.

Re: Tip Jar

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Post by viraptor » Fri, May 07, 2021, 1:33 AM UTC

quest88 wrote: post #28

viraptor wrote: post #17

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Sigh, this seems to be another "we had no women on our team" situation. This was a question asked on Twitter before even trying the feature. People impacted by this issue know it's a possible problem. Twitter really should've done better here.

The Senior Product Manager who wrote the post is a woman.

Let me clarify - I meant a class of issues usually described that way, but spelled out it's "members of the team have little direct or indirect contact with people impacted by higher privacy needs, who are quite often global or context-specific minorities or people commonly exposed to abuse that impacts them". I wish we had a unique name for it because it keeps repeating online, and is often shortened the way I commented, which is not entirely correct. (In that yes, women are not magic privacy issue detectors)

Re: Tip Jar

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Post by anonytrary » Fri, May 07, 2021, 1:34 AM UTC

I remember in 2017 in /r/dogecoin, we would tip each other thousands of doge (back then, it was 1/10th of a penny) for "such many random and much wow comment in forum". This was achieved with a DOGE tipping bot.

This idea will most likely work if Twitter starts supporting it as a first class feature. And maybe it will encourage people to speak about things that are valuable. Or maybe it will continue to encourage the Twitter mob to just tear the other side apart. I don't know.

Re: Tip Jar

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Post by senectus1 » Fri, May 07, 2021, 1:36 AM UTC

m3kw9 wrote: post #41

senectus1 wrote: post #27

how to make people even more angry with Twitter: Allow us to tip the "Promoted" tweets so you don't see them again. You're welcome (sorry)

Easier to just tap the “not interested on this ad” button

ever found that to be particularly effective? I put a concerted effort into doing that for a week... every advert.

they started returning after a while.

Re: Tip Jar

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 07, 2021, 1:41 AM UTC

edouard-harris wrote: post #20

jeffrwells wrote: post #3

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They know there will be an uproar if they take a cut today. But once everyone is used to using it they'll introduce their cut and make money. Like when instagram started they promised they'd have no ads

Keep in mind that if Twitter took a cut of tips, that would automatically trigger the App Store's 30% in-app payment tax for any user who tips on their iPhone. (According to App Store rules, if an in-app payment goes 100% to the creator with zero platform cut, then Apple foregoes the 30% fee.) It's similar to why Clubhouse isn't currently taking a cut of creator payments: they can't do it without paying the App Store…

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Re: Tip Jar

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Post by dkarras » Fri, May 07, 2021, 1:45 AM UTC

Wonder if / how this will change people's sharing behavior. A common scenario like:

People like to do X for free (status, virtual points) but if a way to get paid while doing so is introduced, the dynamics change. People that don't get paid much (overall, or relatively compared to their peers) feel bitter even though the outcome is exactly the same as before but they get discouraged, stop sharing, stop doing it for free etc.

Re: Tip Jar

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Post by kar5pt » Fri, May 07, 2021, 1:52 AM UTC

s5300 wrote: post #30

jhgb wrote: post #18

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Why would you need women for that? Anyone could have told you that this was a bad thing.

Women are much more likely to be aware of the pretty serious risk of somebody being able to easily attain your address. I think it's a fair statement

Men don't want strangers to know their address either.

Re: Tip Jar

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Post by koolba » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:00 AM UTC

fnord77 wrote: post #50

> Tip Jar is an easy way to support the incredible voices that make up the conversation on Twitter. The conversation is mostly snarkiness and trolling. I really hope we don't start rewarding that with cash.

We already do, it’s just a level of indirection involving sponsored posts.

Re: Tip Jar

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Post by ziml77 » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:06 AM UTC

simonw wrote: post #4

Apparently if you send someone a tip with this they get your mailing address as part of the receipt. https://twitter.com/racheltobac/status/1390409874006183936 This is a PayPal issue, but Twitter are responding by adding a warning so people know it will happen: https://twitter.com/kayvz/status/1390423761183117312 ?

Yep PayPal is awful about this stuff. I have a friend who's deadname was leaking through PayPal reciepts. They couldn't change it because PayPal insisted on showing the name of the account holder which was validated through the bank account linking. To protect them I now manage the account they have people send payments and donations to. It's suboptimal but it's the only way we can be totally sure their deadname doesn't show again.

I knew PayPal was bad before, but I've hated them ever since that info leak.

Re: Tip Jar

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Post by robryan » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:19 AM UTC

simonw wrote: post #4

Apparently if you send someone a tip with this they get your mailing address as part of the receipt. https://twitter.com/racheltobac/status/1390409874006183936 This is a PayPal issue, but Twitter are responding by adding a warning so people know it will happen: https://twitter.com/kayvz/status/1390423761183117312 ?

This seems like an issue on the Twitter implementation side. I don't know how the newer PayPal API handles it but on the one I am familiar with.

NOSHIPPING 1 — PayPal does not display shipping address fields and removes shipping information from the transaction.

https://developer.paypal.com/docs/nvp-soap-api/set-express-c...