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Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#51

Post by benatkin »

door101 wrote: post #32
benatkin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too much. It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. I'm going to continue thinking Facebook doesn't care about people, even when they're being killed by the thousands, and I'm more comfortable doing that as someone who uses Vue and Python and not Rust. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45449938 Edit: I realized I'm slowly getting into Deno, which is based on Rus…

Facebook is one of the sponsors of the Python Software Foundation too. https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/

Somehow they've managed to stay out of the news, while Rust has been endorsing BigCo's regularly for a while now...

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#52

Post by qlfail »

xiphias2 wrote: post #34
benatkin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too much. It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. I'm going to continue thinking Facebook doesn't care about people, even when they're being killed by the thousands, and I'm more comfortable doing that as someone who uses Vue and Python and not Rust. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45449938 Edit: I realized I'm slowly getting into Deno, which is based on Rus…

https://www.python.org/sponsors/application/ Meet with the PSF Board of Directors Opportunity to meet with the PSF Board of Directors to discuss a topic of your choosing. The health and sustainability of our community is important to many organizations and we want to make sure community needs are heard and noted. For visionary sponsors: Meet with the Python Steering Council Opportunity to meet with the Steering Counc…

I'm sure the "visionary" sponsors represent "community" needs perfectly! Translation:

"Buy yourself into an obedient hiring pool controlled by the Steering Council."

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#53

Post by ChrisSD »

lacker wrote: post #14

This is a great step for the Rust Foundation and a sign that Rust is transitioning successfully to a foundation model rather than a Mozilla-centric organization. It looks like some people are worried about Facebook's influence on Rust, but that doesn't seem like a huge concern to me. Facebook isn't going to want to influence Rust in any particularly "Facebooky" way since it's such a deep-in-the-infrastructure compone…

I don't think Rust has been a "Mozilla-centric" organization in a long time. Or at least the Foundation has no bearing on it.

Very early on Rust was made independent of Mozilla. And since the layoffs it's hard to argue they had much indirect influence left even before the Foundation was started. Well, no more than other companies using Rust.

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#54

Post by vaylian »

brian_herman wrote: post #16
adenozine wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps in capability, not so much by reputation or social utility.

True but if someone would pay you 200k to develop rust things wouldn’t you say yes?

I would not say yes. You can't buy ethics.

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#55

Post by cortesoft »

brundolf wrote: post #44
lacker wrote: post #14

This is a great step for the Rust Foundation and a sign that Rust is transitioning successfully to a foundation model rather than a Mozilla-centric organization. It looks like some people are worried about Facebook's influence on Rust, but that doesn't seem like a huge concern to me. Facebook isn't going to want to influence Rust in any particularly "Facebooky" way since it's such a deep-in-the-infrastructure compone…

It does bring up something we don't always like to think about, which is that by contributing to the progression of very general technologies we often empower people/organizations who are doing things that may be bad for the world. But I'm not sure what there is to be done about that, and it isn't limited to Rust (or Facebook for that matter), and I don't think this event really makes that state of affairs worse in a…

It is hard to imagine progress in any technology that couldn’t also be used for evil. Better food production could feed bad guys. Curing cancer could extend the life of a mass murderer.

I don’t think we will stop evil corporations by preventing them from using memory safe and performant programming languages.

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#56

Post by cortesoft »

benatkin wrote: post #51
door101 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is one of the sponsors of the Python Software Foundation too. https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/

Somehow they've managed to stay out of the news, while Rust has been endorsing BigCo's regularly for a while now...

What does it mean for Rust to be endorsing BigCos?

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#57

Post by fsociety »

benatkin wrote: post #27
xgulfie wrote: post #4

Can anyone speak to what power this gives them in the rust foundation, other than just good will and the dependence on funding?

Too much. It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. I'm going to continue thinking Facebook doesn't care about people, even when they're being killed by the thousands, and I'm more comfortable doing that as someone who uses Vue and Python and not Rust. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45449938 Edit: I realized I'm slowly getting into Deno, which is based on Rus…

Facebook contributes a ton to the Linux and Python communities as well, by this logic you shouldn’t use either.

Thinking that infrastructure engineers have direct influence over the product is wrong. Instead they work at Facebook because it is a good means to being paid lots of money to contribute to open source.

Btw, getting out of us vs. them mentality will form a healthier community and result in more positive changes. You can call Facebook on shit without generalizing against the employees who work there.

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#58

Post by tjpnz »

benatkin wrote: post #27
xgulfie wrote: post #4

Can anyone speak to what power this gives them in the rust foundation, other than just good will and the dependence on funding?

Too much. It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. I'm going to continue thinking Facebook doesn't care about people, even when they're being killed by the thousands, and I'm more comfortable doing that as someone who uses Vue and Python and not Rust. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45449938 Edit: I realized I'm slowly getting into Deno, which is based on Rus…

>It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company.

As someone who already views the Facebook brand as a toxic waste dump this won't do anything to change my mind.

If they want to sponsor Rust more power to them. It's not as if it's going to change anything for the average user.

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#59

Post by ironmagma »

xiphias2 wrote: post #5
nanna wrote: post #2

Well, that makes me a tad less enthusiastic about Rust.

It had to happen, the only way to make a programming language successful is to have it backed by most big tech companies.

I wouldn’t say so. A language like Haskell is successful, even if their motto is “avoid success at all costs.” Books have been written about the language, and the ecosystem and community are thriving. Even still, few corporate sponsors exist.

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#60

Post by khuey »

brundolf wrote: post #44
lacker wrote: post #14

This is a great step for the Rust Foundation and a sign that Rust is transitioning successfully to a foundation model rather than a Mozilla-centric organization. It looks like some people are worried about Facebook's influence on Rust, but that doesn't seem like a huge concern to me. Facebook isn't going to want to influence Rust in any particularly "Facebooky" way since it's such a deep-in-the-infrastructure compone…

It does bring up something we don't always like to think about, which is that by contributing to the progression of very general technologies we often empower people/organizations who are doing things that may be bad for the world. But I'm not sure what there is to be done about that, and it isn't limited to Rust (or Facebook for that matter), and I don't think this event really makes that state of affairs worse in a…

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