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Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

severino wrote: post #46
rubyist5eva wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vanilla gnome, more up-to-date software, package management with dnf is superior than apt. You don't have to have snaps shoved down your throat (but you can still use them if you like). Fedora is a "makers" distro. Every big innovation in Linux has happened in Fedora first.

I dislike snaps too, but when I used Fedora for a couple of years (around version 25), I didn't like dnf a lot either. It felt very slow in comparison to apt, and also, it was just another new command to learn, after yum et al. In contrast, I've been using the same apt syntax in Debian or Ubuntu installs for two decades now. To me, having the same tool with no breaking changes for ages is a plus.

Once you know the tools, apt and dnf blend in together.

Where dnf shines compared to apt is discoverability. The help is decent. There's no separate apt-cache, and there are few reasons to use rpm directly.

Dnf also offers a plug-and-play installation of debugging symbols via `dnf debuginfo-install`, which have always been a pain for me.

Oh, and `dnf install pkg-config(package)` is nice too.

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by dralley »

severino wrote: post #46
rubyist5eva wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vanilla gnome, more up-to-date software, package management with dnf is superior than apt. You don't have to have snaps shoved down your throat (but you can still use them if you like). Fedora is a "makers" distro. Every big innovation in Linux has happened in Fedora first.

I dislike snaps too, but when I used Fedora for a couple of years (around version 25), I didn't like dnf a lot either. It felt very slow in comparison to apt, and also, it was just another new command to learn, after yum et al. In contrast, I've been using the same apt syntax in Debian or Ubuntu installs for two decades now. To me, having the same tool with no breaking changes for ages is a plus.

>It felt very slow in comparison to apt

This is partly true, and partly not.

DNF always updates the local copy of the metadata, so it's more like "apt update && apt upgrade" than just "apt upgrade". I don't recall if Ubuntu has a background task for this, but that might be one reason it's "faster".

DNF also has more metadata to download, and the default parallelism is not very high. If you increase the setting, it gets a lot faster.

And also, DNF records the package update history, so that the origin of every package on the system (whether it was requested installed by a user, or indirectly as a dependency, whether it came from a repo or was side-installed) is auditable. Transactions are recorded and can be viewed and rolled back afterwards. And it uses a more rigorous SAT-solver based approach to dependency solving than apt uses. So it's likely doing more actual work rather than being slower at doing the same thing. Those features can be quite useful.

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by bsg75 »

voidfunc wrote: post #47

Still on Fedora 30... probably time to reformat and install fresh. Really wish Fedora would cut an official WSL2 image.

https://fedoramagazine.org/wsl-fedora-33/

Also works for Fedora 34. It results in a very lean image, but works for me as my primary dev image on WSL2.

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by IceWreck »

gtirloni wrote: post #22
sparkling wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Fedora because i like to have the vanilla GNOME experience out of the box. I also like that i don't need to undo all the snap stuff like in current Ubuntu versions, just plain old boring packages (snap and flatpak are both optional). But overall, they are really similar.

flatpak is great for apps like Telegram, Discord, Zoom, Teams, etc.

For telegram you can just use the package from rpmfusion. I do use flatpak for proprietary software like Discord, Zoom, etc.

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by IceWreck »

hs86 wrote: post #29

They managed to increase the distance the mouse cursor has to travel to open the app drawer. The worst case would be to move the cursor to the upper left and then to the bottom right. Does Red Hat monitor the mouse travel distance to measure "employee productivity," or how did they end up with this design?

You can open the app drawer with Super + A right ?

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by mixmastamyk »

grawprog wrote: post #48
addicted wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, not being forced into snaps, which for many apps that are forced upon us through snaps makes them remarkably slow, is enough reason to pick Fedora over Ubuntu for a fresh install. But whether it’s a good enough reason to switch an existing system depends on how much trouble one is having with these issues in their current system.

Is snap actually being forced on users by Ubuntu? I've used a Ubuntu based os for years, the only snap packages i have are third-party ones directly from the app devs themselves, ubuntu's never forced me to use snap...

Yes, it is installed, running a daemon, and spamming mounts and filesystems (~/snap, /snap, etc) at boot up. Well known packages such as chromium convert themselves to snap without warning or permission, then proceed to load a lot slower because they have to be extracted from an image into memory.

Snap is not discrete in any sense of the word.

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by rubyist5eva »

grawprog wrote: post #48
addicted wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, not being forced into snaps, which for many apps that are forced upon us through snaps makes them remarkably slow, is enough reason to pick Fedora over Ubuntu for a fresh install. But whether it’s a good enough reason to switch an existing system depends on how much trouble one is having with these issues in their current system.

Is snap actually being forced on users by Ubuntu? I've used a Ubuntu based os for years, the only snap packages i have are third-party ones directly from the app devs themselves, ubuntu's never forced me to use snap...

> Is snap actually being forced on users by Ubuntu?

Chromium is a snap in Ubuntu now for a while, even if you install it with apt it just installs the snap.

Canonical wants to deliver the entire OS via snap in the future, and is already partially there on the server with Ubuntu Core and they recently announced an Ubuntu Core Desktop is coming soon.

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by JeremyNT »

dralley wrote: post #40
gnome_mouse wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You guys are using the mouse? I smack Super and type the first couple letters of the application I want opened or brought to the front and hit enter Why are you even using the mouse in the activities overlay

Why create a new account just for this one comment? Anyway, it's often legitimately faster to use the mouse with the Dash to Dock extension. It blows my mind that it's not the default behavior of the dock.

I guess there are many ways to skin a cat, but I never click on the thing. I just use Super+1-9 to immediately activate my desired app.

This requires you pin your "favorite" apps in the dock, but once you put them there they're always available with those key combos (whether they're running yet or not). Once you internalize the order, you don't even need to open the activities view at all (except for your more seldom used programs).

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by throwaway74737 »

throwaway74737 wrote: post #35
viraptor wrote: post #4

While pipewire still needs a lot of work and some people will see regressions in their workflow, this change is so much better than the pulseaudio disaster. It already enables things like more reasonable Bluetooth access, BT codec/profile switching, close to real-time audio, etc. With updated pipewire you can run jack applications like guitarix and ardour and they just work. With pipewire updated from copr repositori…

In 34, I've seen a problem with Ardour accessing the JACK API in Pipewire. Apparently one of the API calls is not implemented, which makes Ardour crash from time to time. Sadly, this means I am not comfortable using a completely free/open-source audio production platform yet.

Downvotes are really getting out of hand on this site. It's like a person cannot even express slight negativity. I _want_ to have a completely FOSS audio production stack. I beta-tested Fedora and found a showstopper, which means I need to stick to MacOS for my audio work for the time being. Somebody thinks this means my comment is invalid.

Re: Fedora Linux 34 is officially here

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Post by voidfunc »

bsg75 wrote: post #53
voidfunc wrote: post #47

Still on Fedora 30... probably time to reformat and install fresh. Really wish Fedora would cut an official WSL2 image.

https://fedoramagazine.org/wsl-fedora-33/ Also works for Fedora 34. It results in a very lean image, but works for me as my primary dev image on WSL2.

I'll give this a shot, thanks!
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