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Vaccine Hesitancy for Covid-19: State, County, and Local Estimates

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Re: Vaccine Hesitancy for Covid-19: State, County, and Local Estimates

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Post by standardUser »

henriquez wrote: post #35
standardUser wrote: post #24

You can see the same trends emerging on the maps on the NYT vaccine page: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine... If you scroll to the map with state-level data, you can see it has started to resemble the electoral college map. Having checked it out nearly everyday for months now, that resemblance is only growing stronger as time goes on. At a certain point, there may need to be some designati…

Travel advisories may not be sufficient. At some point we may need the federal government to round up individuals who refused to get vaccines and put them in remedial education camps. These camps could be taxpayer neutral through a mandatory daily forced labor quota for each resident. Due to the potential for virulent "super spreaders" among the populations, residents must be kept in solitary confinement for their ow…

A CDC website noting areas with high chances of COVID outbreaks would be sufficient. The vaccines aren't 100% effective, so if you're in a high risk group you'd likely want to know which areas of the country to avoid.

Re: Vaccine Hesitancy for Covid-19: State, County, and Local Estimates

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Post by Steltek »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #39
Steltek wrote: post #29

It's a good day to be a Masshole. According to the spreadsheet, MA is least hesitant by state and together with VT, sweeps the first 14 counties (and the first 19, if you ignore SF).

Meanwhile case numbers on Boston, as determined by sewage surveillance, are holding steady: https://www.mwra.com/biobot/biobotdata.htm What's going on?

Vaccines were distributed based on population, not demand. We can't vaccinate people fast enough because we didn't get enough doses (see my other post in this thread). Now that other states have a stockpile sitting around, MA might get more doses and with general availability this week, our numbers should improve.

Re: Vaccine Hesitancy for Covid-19: State, County, and Local Estimates

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

Steltek wrote: post #47
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They got vaccinated so quickly because such a large fraction of them needed to do so as a condition of employment. Healthcare is a massive industry in MA.

Not even close to true. Demand is so high here, MA was only able to offer vaccines to the general public starting this week. If you were lucky enough to even be eligible last week, you needed to use bots to find an appointment. Compare that to Texas, where shots are going begging at freaking Walmart. It's extremely infuriating. MA's vaccination rate is solely limited by available doses and meanwhile vaccines are expi…

Demand is high because all the low risk people in healthcare (and all the other industries that got priority) got in line right away and are/were competing with the high risk people and seniors.

Basically we dumped a ton of volume into the vaccination funnel from the get go (because we were vaccinating such a wide range of people so early on because of the employment based qualification criteria) so while there was a backup we were always running the "actually vaccinating people" part of the system at full tilt. Other states poured a comparative trickle into the funnel. While there was no backup up top you didn't have the bottom of the vaccine pipeline running at 100%.

Re: Vaccine Hesitancy for Covid-19: State, County, and Local Estimates

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Post by henriquez »

standardUser wrote: post #51
henriquez wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Travel advisories may not be sufficient. At some point we may need the federal government to round up individuals who refused to get vaccines and put them in remedial education camps. These camps could be taxpayer neutral through a mandatory daily forced labor quota for each resident. Due to the potential for virulent "super spreaders" among the populations, residents must be kept in solitary confinement for their ow…

A CDC website noting areas with high chances of COVID outbreaks would be sufficient. The vaccines aren't 100% effective, so if you're in a high risk group you'd likely want to know which areas of the country to avoid.

But how would a website help high-risk individuals to know which unvaccinated individuals to avoid? Another idea could be mandatory tattoos for science deniers - the tattoos would have to be on a conspicuous place like the hand or forehead and visible from a safe enough distance to give people time to put on extra masks. This could be more "humane" than putting them in solitary confinement, but it's more likely to incur a taxpayer expense.

Re: Vaccine Hesitancy for Covid-19: State, County, and Local Estimates

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Post by jcims »

psychometry wrote: post #23
darkwizard42 wrote: post #2

This is a pretty interesting map/graph. I also like that they linked to the data in table form. Not really surprised at the areas that are darkest, but still feel worried that lots of areas near 20%. Specifically the levels of non-Hispanic Black hesitancy in the South is really rough. Hopefully over time this improves especially as private enterprises put some pressure on getting vaccinated

I have much greater confidence that vaccination of non-white populations in the South will climb to acceptable levels than I do when it comes to GOP base of rural white people with no college.

Why?

Re: Vaccine Hesitancy for Covid-19: State, County, and Local Estimates

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Post by giantg2 »

ianai wrote: post #41
kepler1 wrote: post #28

Friends, tell me how I should be more positive or community minded in thinking about this. Because right now, I say -- "anyone who doesn't want a vaccine, well you live with the consequences and if you can't come to rational understanding that it's your own life being saved, then I shed no tears over your choice". People who do it out of religious (or Republican) dogma, I'm not sympathetic. People who believe in cons…

It’s not just about saving the life of the person being vaccinated. It’s about not giving the virus anymore “fuel” to burn through. Every infection is a roll of many dice. Statistically at some point someone’s mutation will overcome even the vaccines we’ve made. If that spreads we’d be back in February of 2020.

"If that spreads we’d be back in February of 2020."

You mean 'when'. There's no going back at this point.

Re: Vaccine Hesitancy for Covid-19: State, County, and Local Estimates

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Post by alamortsubite »

solosoyokaze wrote: post #33
losingmyjob wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hopefully over time this improves especially as private enterprises put some pressure on getting vaccinated I really hope I don't lose my job because I don't want to take an experimental, unapproved vaccine for a disease that hospitalizes less than 5% of people across all age groups when I work from home, am a healthy weight, and am under forty. The risk for me is, in fact, comparable to the flu, and the vaccine ha…

Everyone should take the vaccine, but: > Also are you surprised that Black people in the South don't want this experimental vaccine after the Tuskegee Experiment? Is a super important and valid point. Historically Black people have had their human rights violated in similar situations. Johnson and Johnson also knowingly targeted Black people with baby powder marketing after they knew it caused cancer. As much as I th…

Do you think there's anything J&J or the government could do to assuage this particular fear in the short-term?

Re: Vaccine Hesitancy for Covid-19: State, County, and Local Estimates

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Post by Steltek »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #54
Steltek wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even close to true. Demand is so high here, MA was only able to offer vaccines to the general public starting this week. If you were lucky enough to even be eligible last week, you needed to use bots to find an appointment. Compare that to Texas, where shots are going begging at freaking Walmart. It's extremely infuriating. MA's vaccination rate is solely limited by available doses and meanwhile vaccines are expi…

Demand is high because all the low risk people in healthcare (and all the other industries that got priority) got in line right away and are/were competing with the high risk people and seniors. Basically we dumped a ton of volume into the vaccination funnel from the get go (because we were vaccinating such a wide range of people so early on because of the employment based qualification criteria) so while there was a…

But early eligibility != required to do your job. The vaccine system was only as "full tilt" as we had doses available. We had capacity for substantially more shots in arms but there was nothing to give. That said, I do agree with the State's priorities. As much as it pains me personally, retail is higher than my comfy WFH butt.

Re: Vaccine Hesitancy for Covid-19: State, County, and Local Estimates

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Post by losingmyjob »

abootstrapper wrote: post #30
standardUser wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The risk for me is, in fact..." In fact, the risk for you is that you infect someone you care about and they end up hospitalized or dead. That is a very real risk that has played out countless times during this pandemic and has cost thousands and thousands of lives.

It’s been over a year of explaining this to people. OP is a lost cause.

I was on your side a year ago. Your year of explaining has actually made me into a skeptic. Evidence for asymptomatic spread hasn't materialized. The disease isn't as deadly as the officials said at first, and the response hasn't adapted. This is not an existential threat.

I stayed inside without going to a grocery store or any other store for a full YEAR because of the panic induced by people like you.

I am far worse than a lost cause. This pandemic has made me completely lose trust in the "experts" like Dr Fauci, the CDC, and the WHO, all of whose guidance I followed for a full year before understanding the extent to the lie we've been fed. And I've absolutely had it with the armchair epidemiologists online like you who repeat their #BlueAnon theories about this variant and that tiny uptick in the curve and never, ever mention the evaporating evidence for asymptomatic spread, or what happened to the actual flu this year

COVID only hospitalizes 1-5% of cases, and they're almost all old or obese. What are we doing?! This is not an existential threat! It does not justify forcing individuals to take an experimental vaccine against their will!

Enjoy your drugs, and your panic! I'm not doing it! Fire me! Throw me in jail! I'm done bending my knee to this insanity

And you can downvote me all you want but there are many of us who feel this way and you pretentious, arrogant fucks don't know better than anyone else and you're actively hurting the cause you believe in. Your downvotes always galvanize me. They tell me I'm RIGHT.

Morons!

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