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Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

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The software sounds faulty. The black screen is terrible UX; it should just silently set a bookmark and let the student continue. The overall outcome (and the student's experience and stress) is ultimately a staff issue. The professor should have been on call, and should have been able to get the student back into the questions, or, failing that, to offer another sitting. I have done both of these, among other remedi…

You are correct this is a staff failure, the failure lies in using the software in the first place. If we agree that the current situation is so exceptional that we need to fully monitor all students taking exams (and that's still a big if, I also am a university teacher, we don't use any monitoring system. There are other solutions as well such as taking oral exams...), one could simply hire a bunch of proctors who…

Copy-pasting from my other comment:

> I see it as a currently-necessary annoyance, as the least bad option. The alternatives have greater deficiencies: human invigilators using Zoom etc. don't scale (institution experience); oral exams don't scale (my experience moderating such assessments); no invigilation leads to cheating (by few students but enough to be a real problem, especially for professional qualifications - my direct experience and institution experience); shutting down education until the pandemic's over is unfeasible.

Last year, we tried not monitoring, we tried Zoom invigilation, we tried orals. Lockdown rules prevented us from sending in-person invigilators in one semester (and we couldn't have hired even 10% of what that would take) and the other we invigilated in person like normal. We are spending more than ever before, so there are no savings. All of these methods failed. This year, grudgingly, we have moved to proctoring software.

Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

#52

In case you don't know who Proctorio is: (like me) Apparently it's a supervision software that students are forced to install on their private computer and (as expected) it'll do its worst to invade your privacy and flag "suspicious" things, based on which the university might punish you. "Suspicious" here means wearing glasses [3] or looking around in the room or blinking too much [4] or having eye and/or skin color…

Wow, is that software legal to force upon your students? If you tried this in Europe, even with the student explicitly clicking "I consent", you would still be facing pretty serious GDPR penalties because the student had no other option than to accept making their consent invalid.

Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

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Yeah i found that.. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proctor Though in fairness proctor / procurator are extremely antiquated english words, that have survived in common usage only in the US for some reason.

I reckon the majority of english speakers who read 'Proctorio' will immediately think anus.

I think the majority of English speakers are completely unaware of this meaning. “Proctor” on the other hand, is something they would’ve heard of in an exam setting.

Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

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It's actually very disappointing that this whole monitoring system was deemed necessary to begin with. How screwed is the system that anyone one would believe this level of intrusion should be part of the education process.

I don't like proctorio, but in situations where it is really necessary for students to demonstrate a certain level of knowledge (think: medicine), I just don't see a reasonable alternative to online proctoring, given the circumstances. Why would you say that this is evidence of a 'screwed' system?

In the past, we solved this problem by not having online proctoring, we had exams in front of a board. Maybe if the necessity of such demonstrations is paramount, doing them online is not the correct answer.

Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

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I have a question for anyone who has seen similar situations. (I'm 35+ years old and have never work at a corporation except for some small gigs when I was 18, so I'm really ignorant of how these companies and internal decision making work) Why in the world would a company sue a critic, under weak legal arguments, thus buying themselves this kind of terrible negative publicity? Who will trust/like/or want to be assoc…

This actually seems pretty effective to me. I now know that if I criticize Proctorio, I am likely on the hook for six figures in legal fees. That alone would be enough to scare off many people who would otherwise feel inclined to critique the product/company. In fact, winning the case may not even be that important to the firm.

Sure, you could scare some others into not criticizing you. But this case is going to be mainstream news now, while before their case only a small number of people would have read the tweets.

And I think losing this case could get very expensive if the defendant manages to convince the judge it's a SLAPP case?

Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah i found that.. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proctor Though in fairness proctor / procurator are extremely antiquated english words, that have survived in common usage only in the US for some reason.

I reckon the majority of english speakers who read 'Proctorio' will immediately think anus.

I recon the majority of english speakers will not think of the Greek word for anus. Especially educated English speakers who have had exams proctored before.

Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

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post #45
post #26

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Orwell is the modern Machiavelli. In about 100 years, people will be wondering if 1984 was satire/criticism or an actual blueprint for effective government in the digital age, in the same way the real aim of Il Principe has been endlessly debated for centuries.

In contrast, Orwell's fundamental rejection of the totalitarian surveillance society is well known and documented. Even in 100 years, those who are interested can read it all.

Unless, of course, such documentation will be surpressed. Which is pretty Orwellian, in fact, such operations are the protagonist's job.

Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

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In case you don't know who Proctorio is: (like me) Apparently it's a supervision software that students are forced to install on their private computer and (as expected) it'll do its worst to invade your privacy and flag "suspicious" things, based on which the university might punish you. "Suspicious" here means wearing glasses [3] or looking around in the room or blinking too much [4] or having eye and/or skin color…

Ah. Prictorio: education spyware just like Socrates used to impose on his pupils.

Seriously, the day my university required this would be the last day they received a dime from me. And I’d be getting a refund for the current semester.

Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I reckon the majority of english speakers who read 'Proctorio' will immediately think anus.

I think the majority of English speakers are completely unaware of this meaning. “Proctor” on the other hand, is something they would’ve heard of in an exam setting.

Mabye I'm in the minority; I'd never heard of a "Proctor", but I have heard of a "Proctologist", which is an anus doctor
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