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Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by 1cvmask » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:41 AM UTC

jacob2484 wrote: post #15

1cvmask wrote: post #2

Majority of Americans support Medicare for All. But both parties are against it. Marijuana legalization is easier to pass than healthcare because there are no entrenched corporate interests against it: https://morningconsult.com/2021/03/24/medicare-for-all-publi...

Majority of Americans do NOT support Medicare for All. Please reread your article - they want a public option, which differs from Medicare.

From the article: “55% of voters support Medicare for All”

and 70 percent support a public option. 55% is a majority.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by nprz » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:41 AM UTC

iaw wrote: post #11

paxys wrote: post #6

> This is particularly the case among adults ages 75 and older: Just 32% say marijuana should be legal for recreational and medical use, by far the lowest share for any age category and 21 percentage points lower than adults in the next-oldest age group Sadly most elected officials fall in these age groups. Legalizing weed at the Federal level will be a huge win even in states that have already done so. The industry…

Not entirely true: " The average age of Members of the House at the beginning of the 116th Congress was 57.6 years; of Senators, 62.9 years." [0] [0] https://guides.loc.gov/116th-congress-book-list

And interestingly, that number has been steeply increasing since 1980 https://i.imgur.com/6eiPP3z.jpg

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by darkerside » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:41 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #27

jacob2484 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Majority of Americans do NOT support Medicare for All. Please reread your article - they want a public option, which differs from Medicare.

> they want a public option, which differs from Medicare. Medicare is a system by which (currently, a subset) of Americans may select[0] either publicly subsidized private health plans or a purely-public[1] option. The difference between this and the ACA plus a public option is...not that much. [0] well, except for many Medicare/Medicaid dual-eligibles, for which a single plan (often fully-publicly-subsized private)…

Medicare is a specific example of a system. Just because Americans are overwhelmingly thirsty does not mean they want to drink pineapple juice.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by protomyth » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:42 AM UTC

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #38

tamaharbor wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever been on Medicare? Frankly, it’s not that good.

I've experienced the Canadian healthcare system (similar to Medicare for All) as a patient, and I've experienced the American healthcare industry as a "customer" (Note: I've always had private insurance through great jobs). I can easily say, "having private insurance in American, frankly, its not that good." Proposals I've previously heard: Medicare for All, Medicare for Children, Medicare reduced age, a public-priva…

I would have more respect for the Canadian health care system if the Grand Forks ND Hospital parking lot wasn't full of Manitoba license plates. If the US isn't available as a quick out for people with money than how well does the system work?

Frankly, I wish Congress had to live under Indian Health Service for a couple of years. If the US is incapable of getting decent health care for 2% of the population its obligated to provide for, then I don't see how it gets better adding the other 98%.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by mcny » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:42 AM UTC

AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #26

redisman wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s part of the problem but both parties have had total control in the last 5 years and yet nothing has been passed on the federal level. The problem is that all the representatives are in the over 75 yo group

The part of the problem is that everything these days has to be done on federal level. There's even federally mandated shower flow rate [1]. Just leave this shit up to the states. [1] https://www.waterpik.com/shower-head/blog/shower-head-gpm/#:... .

> The part of the problem is that everything these days has to be done on federal level.

I absolutely hate this state rights argument. I for one would gladly support repealing the words the states from the tenth amendment.

States don’t have magical rights. People have rights.

I have a feeling anyone who supports “state rights” would also support the idea of “separate but equal”.

Please do not associate yourself with the hypocrites who are all for state rights until California wants to regulate automobile emissions.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by paxys » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:42 AM UTC

wwweston wrote: post #16

I've supported legalization efforts in two states. But I kindof have regrets, now. And in fact, if I were in charge, I might leave it as an infraction. I don't really want it to be illegal, but as far as I can tell, the same thing that happens to cigarette smokers happens to weed smokers: perspective on the fact that smoking is the atmospheric equivalent of peeing in the pool is lost. And I wake up like I did last ni…

Do you honestly believe there was no one smoking pot in your apartment building before it was legal?

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by Stevvo » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:43 AM UTC

chmod600 wrote: post #46

It is becoming increasingly hard to justify a prohibition on gun ownership due to marijuana use. These two issues will clash soon.

How are the two issues related at all?

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by Nbox9 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:43 AM UTC

chenzhekl wrote: post #36

Are there any goods to legalize marijuana? If there had been a chance, I would have voted to ban cigarettes as well.

Tax revenue, reduced use of law enforcement resources, increased personal liberty.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by GeekyBear » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:43 AM UTC

paxys wrote: post #42

GeekyBear wrote: post #29

Oddly, Biden is a bigger holdout against full legalization than Congress. >Biden’s blunt opposition to marijuana legalization https://www.vox.com/22387746/biden-marijuana-weed-legalizati...

Funny enough in this case how Kamala Harris feels might be more important, since she'll likely cast the deciding vote in the Senate. I can't see Biden vetoing the legalization bill if it passes both chambers, regardless of his personal views.

Typically, the Vice President will follow the President's agenda, regardless of how they personally feel.

I'm sure she'll offer her views privately and then follow the President's lead publicly, just as Biden did when he opposed Obama's Afghanistan surge and remaining there forever.

However, on this issue, a group of Republicans and Democrats have been renewing a ban on using Federal dollars to prosecute individuals for pot in states where it is legal since the Obama years, regardless of which party controls the Senate.

Re: Americans overwhelmingly say marijuana should be legal

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:43 AM UTC

zachrose wrote: post #7

1cvmask wrote: post #2

Majority of Americans support Medicare for All. But both parties are against it. Marijuana legalization is easier to pass than healthcare because there are no entrenched corporate interests against it: https://morningconsult.com/2021/03/24/medicare-for-all-publi...

No entrenched industries except for alcohol, private prisons, medical cannabis and big pharma.

Law enforcement in general benefits greatly from prohibition