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Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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I see the Google hate on HN is strong enough that an article that just regurgitates the contents of a few articles and blog posts can be upvoted to #1 in short order.

And the odd thing is that Google has been significantly better for consumers than other FAANG companies.

Apple has historically been anti consumer and anti developer with a huge marketing budget to wash it. Facebook intentionally makes us sad. M$ and their anti competitive practices should be well known.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my side - I have never seen an easy Google Cloud deploy but have no problems working with AWS.

I just completed a migration from AWS to GCP. My experience was previously entirely AWS, but GCP has been really nice. GCP has fewer features (e.g., no scheduled filestore backups), but GKE is far and away better than EKS and the overall console UX is far better as well. There’s also generally less to understand and thus misconfigure, and far fewer half-baked features to wade through to find the happy path (I’ve spen…

I feel you on Cloudformation :S

I haven't used Kubernetes on either platform - so there may be more to that.

One thing I really dislike about GCP is how expensive it is for personal or hobby use. I burned through $300 for a simple vm on GCP in a few weeks because their cheapest instances are so expensive.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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> The clock is ticking for Google Cloud. The Google unit, which sells computing services to big companies, is under pressure from top management to pass Amazon or Microsoft-currently first and second, respectively, in cloud market share-or risk losing funding. While the company has invested heavily in the business since last year, Google wants its cloud group to outrank those of one or both of its two main rivals by 2023, said people with knowledge of the matter.

If they pulled this off, they would be hailed as gods of marketing for eons to come.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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I don't know why all the cloud companies make you jump through so many hoops to get more quota - but Google has consistently been the fastest for me. Fill out some random Google Docs form (why does it have to be so dodgy?), receive quota within 24 hours. Contrast: Microsoft - flat out refused me more quota despite spending 10k/mo with them. Required me to convert to invoice billing, and then wanted a bunch of proof o…

There are several valid reason to do this - concerns about customer solvency and making sure you aint gonna crash tbheir house of cards architectures to name a few. The bigger problem is when those requests get stuck in the bureaucracy hell and all three major cloud provider companies are known to be extremely bureaucratic

Microsoft was the most baffling - happy to give me 25k+ credits for free in their startup program, unable to let me pay them for the same setup going forwards.

My quota requests weren't outrageous - never more than 20 VM's, albeit very large VM's.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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This is very real. After a production outage caused by excessive health check failures the day after a massive GCP outage (Sept 2020) -- where we quickly hit our already-oversized quota (quotas, another GCP issue) during a traffic spike -- we've moved all of our sensitive workloads to AWS.

We continue to use GCP for less sensitive workloads and for GKE, but our entire ops team has unspoken distrust. This is totally an infra-specific opinion, ignoring the fact that we've had to rewrite apps entirely after breaking changes from Google products.

GCP has a great UI, the project structure makes much more sense, and billing is way easier, but after having a massive outage during a pretty standard scaling event, we just can't justify the risks.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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> The clock is ticking for Google Cloud. The Google unit, which sells computing services to big companies, is under pressure from top management to pass Amazon or Microsoft-currently first and second, respectively, in cloud market share-or risk losing funding. While the company has invested heavily in the business since last year, Google wants its cloud group to outrank those of one or both of its two main rivals by…

Pull a page from Microsoft's book and count every Gmail user as a Google Cloud user.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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What left a bad taste in my mouth is any quota increase getting rejected unless you got on a phone call with sales and listened to an upsell speech. I'm trying to give you money and you're putting roadblocks in front of me.

I was really impressed by how simple it is to increase quota on AWS. It was just simple elastic IP quota increase and few things related to VPC quotas. I haven't used Google cloud as much, so I can't comment on it.

If you don't mind me asking, what quota increase was rejected?

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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> The clock is ticking for Google Cloud. The Google unit, which sells computing services to big companies, is under pressure from top management to pass Amazon or Microsoft-currently first and second, respectively, in cloud market share-or risk losing funding. While the company has invested heavily in the business since last year, Google wants its cloud group to outrank those of one or both of its two main rivals by…

Tactically, what would this look like? Getting large numbers of AWS or Azure customers to move over? Companies have higher priorities than changing their cloud provider, they want to focus on growing their business.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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The single biggest concern I have with Google cloud, bigger than Reader or the like, is Project Maven. What if some Google employees decide my company is bad? Will Google cave in and fire us as a customer? That’s an existential risk.

I can definitely see this being an issue if your product bombs funerals, helps regimes cover up human rights abuses, or deports undocumented people.

Fossil fuels are a maybe.

This really shouldn’t be a problem for 99% of customers though.

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