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India’s second wave

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Re: India’s second wave

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Lockdowns hurt poor people very badly; they need to earn to survive. All the more reason everyone should mask up. And yet, most people stopped masking months ago. Crowds are as bad as they were in 2019. On top of that, doctors here have created a craze for remdesivir, resulting in a blackmarket for it. The central and state governments have mismanaged plenty of things. While they deserve their share of blame, the ord…

haven't been keeping up with updates from there but what's with vaccinated people getting the disease? is that common there due double mutant variant(s)?

Some have only had one dose . Vaccination does not always prevent infection, but it does reduce severity of disease we are told.

Re: India’s second wave

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This is what I feared the first time would be, but somehow the virus spared India. The first time around majority of the population was careful, masked up and stayed indoors. The death was super low. That caused people to get over confident, people believed that covid is not harmful in the country and they fully ignored it. Now there is an Indian variant of the virus which apparently and the infection rates and deaths are up.

Re: India’s second wave

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It is sadly predictable that the pandemic would end up becoming a permanent source of havoc in less developed part of the world, even as it comes under control in the west. This will for certain be with us for many years to come and will further distort the difference between rich and poor. Not at least helped by the nationalism in the west in form of export controls and patents.

I live in a less developed part of the world - Vietnam - and the government and people have been incredibly successful in controlling the virus here. Aside from two short lockdowns of a couple of weeks, my life has barely been affected (except for the lack of tourists and the fact I can't travel outside the country). Local tourism and business seems to be booming. Meanwhile I hear all the stories from back home in Eu…

Please differentiate more. The US and UK don't share, but the EU does. The egoism of some countries hurt the idea of a free and equal world a lot these days...

Re: India’s second wave

#54
post #47
post #25

Lockdowns hurt poor people very badly; they need to earn to survive. All the more reason everyone should mask up. And yet, most people stopped masking months ago. Crowds are as bad as they were in 2019. On top of that, doctors here have created a craze for remdesivir, resulting in a blackmarket for it. The central and state governments have mismanaged plenty of things. While they deserve their share of blame, the ord…

haven't been keeping up with updates from there but what's with vaccinated people getting the disease? is that common there due double mutant variant(s)?

I don't know how much the mutations have to do with it. But the Indian studies show a reinfection rate of 4.5% [1]. Apparently, it is common among the elderly [2]. Our CM is 78.

[1] https://science.thewire.in/health/icmr-defines-interval-for-...

[2] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/covid-reinfection-rare-...

Re: India’s second wave

#55
post #52

This is what I feared the first time would be, but somehow the virus spared India. The first time around majority of the population was careful, masked up and stayed indoors. The death was super low. That caused people to get over confident, people believed that covid is not harmful in the country and they fully ignored it. Now there is an Indian variant of the virus which apparently and the infection rates and death…

Still a small fraction of what Europe has experienced.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

Re: India’s second wave

#56
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It is sadly predictable that the pandemic would end up becoming a permanent source of havoc in less developed part of the world, even as it comes under control in the west. This will for certain be with us for many years to come and will further distort the difference between rich and poor. Not at least helped by the nationalism in the west in form of export controls and patents.

It's not exactly under control in the west yet either. Mainland Europe seems to be going through a pretty serious third wave.

We have had a fourth wave hyped up here in Spain. Small ripple would be more accurate.

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#57
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Not leading to deaths, but just increasing case numbers, that is good news.

Deaths have crossed 1700 per day, also a record high.

Just a bit of context, Poland, a nation of 38M, sees death count of 500-1000 per day during the last wave.

It's likely the real number is higher than 1700 for such a huge nation as India.

Re: India’s second wave

#59
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a less developed part of the world - Vietnam - and the government and people have been incredibly successful in controlling the virus here. Aside from two short lockdowns of a couple of weeks, my life has barely been affected (except for the lack of tourists and the fact I can't travel outside the country). Local tourism and business seems to be booming. Meanwhile I hear all the stories from back home in Eu…

Please differentiate more. The US and UK don't share, but the EU does. The egoism of some countries hurt the idea of a free and equal world a lot these days...

No, the EU doesn't, unfortunately.

> EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced that the bloc will not share coronavirus vaccines with other countries until it has "a better production situation in the EU." This is reported by DW.

https://112.international/politics/eu-wont-share-covid-vacci...

Re: India’s second wave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is inaccurate. COVID-19 has been far deadlier than any of those already-devastating existing diseases and conditions in places like India, South Africa, and Brazil. In South Africa for instance, COVID-19 killed more people in 2020 than HIV/AIDS or TB.

HIV, malaria, and many other diseases endemic to the third world target people in the prime of life, wreaking havoc on families. By contrast, most (not all, but most) deaths from COVID are the elderly. Any mention of this tends to bring on "how dare you say one life is more valuable than another" downvotes, but since this thread is considering economic impact, it's a relevant factor.

Personally I see a teenage suicide as a result of lockdown far more tragic than an 83 year old death from covid (that's the average age of Covid death in the UK. The average age of death in the UK is 82). 60+ years of life lost versus a maybe 2 or 3.
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