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Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by Boywithhalo »

multiverce wrote: post #45
Boywithhalo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capgemini report states that unchecked and unauthorized from China happened after October 28 2009; as reported by the journalist that broke this news: https://twitter.com/huibmodderkolk/status/138335058865459200...

So if anyone accessed from China, it must be huawei? You do know China has 1.4B people. And hackers often use zombie machines to attack. But clearly didn't matter to you.

You're ascribing conclusions to me that I didn't draw; its the Capgemini report that states it was Huawei. I'm just the messenger.

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Post by contravariant »

amaccuish wrote: post #31
contravariant wrote: post #18

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I don't think the people complaining are the ones who chose to give root access to a company with known ties to a foreign government.

Then why do they spin it as if Huawei abused their access? Surely they could just make their opposition known without all the wink wink going on.

I don't need to spin anything. I hereby oppose Huawei having this kind of unlimited and unchecked access in past present and future.

The only part that is unclear, and may never be clear, is whether this authority has been abused. However I oppose them (or anyone) having the authority in the first place.

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Post by [deleted] »

multiverce wrote: post #45
Boywithhalo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capgemini report states that unchecked and unauthorized from China happened after October 28 2009; as reported by the journalist that broke this news: https://twitter.com/huibmodderkolk/status/138335058865459200...

So if anyone accessed from China, it must be huawei? You do know China has 1.4B people. And hackers often use zombie machines to attack. But clearly didn't matter to you.

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Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by throwaway4good »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #48
multiverce wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if anyone accessed from China, it must be huawei? You do know China has 1.4B people. And hackers often use zombie machines to attack. But clearly didn't matter to you.

Huawei was the only one that circumvented the password policy from KPN, which is the telecom provider of > 50% of phone infrastructure in the Netherlands ( including government). The audit was from 2009 and was an internal security audit that got leaked. It's specifically about Huawei.

Just because a policy on passwords or root access was broken, it doesn't mean that it was nefarious (as implied here - eavesdropping etc.).

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Post by estaseuropano »

elric wrote: post #49
planck01 wrote: post #41

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How do you mean 'was largely ignored'? It was headline news for almost a year during the snowden period. It still is discussed occasionally and both us and uk are trusted less by eu countries because of it.

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I don't remember there being this much noise about it. Sure, the rest of the Snowden revelations, but the GCHQ hack seemed largely forgotten. IIRC no charges were ever filed and there was no diplomatic response.

There was a lot of diplomatic fallout but that doesn't take place in public. Reportedly the other EU secret services became more careful about sharing with UK.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

throwaway4good wrote: post #55
NicoJuicy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei was the only one that circumvented the password policy from KPN, which is the telecom provider of > 50% of phone infrastructure in the Netherlands ( including government). The audit was from 2009 and was an internal security audit that got leaked. It's specifically about Huawei.

Just because a policy on passwords or root access was broken, it doesn't mean that it was nefarious (as implied here - eavesdropping etc.).

It's explicitly forbidden when working with a large telecom provider in the EU

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Post by Out_of_Characte »

LatteLazy wrote: post #30
Out_of_Characte wrote: post #28

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What no. How did you even get to that conclusion?

Which conclusion? That the US wiretapped EU leaders [0]? Or something else? [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/30/nsa-leaks-us-b...

>stories are all about a Chinese company once having done a thing they were asked to do...

The dutch governement and the dutch telecom providers did NOT ask any chinese governement or huwawei to eavesdrop or do any kind of work of the sorts.

From the source ( volkskrant ) "Huawei was in staat om zowel binnen KPN als vanuit China ‘ongeautoriseerd, ongecontroleerd en ongelimiteerd KPN-mobiele nummers af te luisteren’, inclusief die van ministers, toenmalig minister-president Jan Peter Balkenende en Chinese dissidenten. Tevens had Huawei inzicht in de database met afgetapte telefoonnummers. Dat is in strijd met de Telecommunicatiewet."

Roughly translates to: Huawei has unlimited access to listen to every KPN-number including those of ministers and chinese dissidents and had insights into databases with tapped phonenumbers without authorisation or oversight which was in violation with the Telecommunication law

This story is mainly about KPN's incompetence but also about the massive influence Huawei or the chinese government has over KPN's network. There's no evidence of misuse but there also wouldn't be any evidence to begin with if there was misuse as they had full control over the network.

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Post by justicezyx »

sschueller wrote: post #5

Interesting how this 3 day old story is getting twisted more and more. Can we stick to the facts? Huawei was used for outsourcing, Huawei obviously has root access. If you outsource your IT to a company with known ties to a foreign government you can't complain about them having sensitive access.

Now it's not only "true", it's sufficient to be the evidence of national threats (again)

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/30/huawei-china-business-r...

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