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New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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None of the models on magazine covers are real, either. They're just based on real people.

This was a great video showing how far from reality Photoshop can take a picture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U

We're now to the point where supermodels feel bad about themselves when they look at photos of themselves. That is seriously messed up.

This fictional Japanese video star is just the next nutty step.

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Now automate the entire thing. 20 years from now. You are befriended on Facebook++ by a person who looks somewhat like all the previous girlfriends you have had. Initiating a 3-D video chat, she seems very friendly and has a lot of the same interests as you do. Every now and then -- so infrequently that you do not notice -- she mentions a particular brand or commercial product, always providing a link. Other than tha…

It's already happening to some extent with real people. There was an article that passed through here a while back that had interviews with ex-419 scammers. One of them was making a living by pretending to be the online girlfriend of some guy. He talked about it in much the same way. He would give him advive, cheer him up, etc. He was essentially 'farming' the guy for money. But this means that he had to deliver real…

Which, I believe, is known amongst con artists as a "long con". Harder to pull off, bigger payout.

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Does this mean that High Definition Video evidence of a suspect performing a crime does not constitute very strong evidence of that suspect as guilty of the crime?

There was an episode of the TV series Sliders in which the main cast lands in a crime-free world that is obsessed with reality TV cop and court shows. Since the world is crime free, the TV producers stage crimes and digitally superimpose the faces of unwitting perpetrators, then arrest them, try them, and execute them (IIRC - maybe it was just a prison sentence). I'm sure the theme has been used elsewhere as well.

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

#54

Now automate the entire thing. 20 years from now. You are befriended on Facebook++ by a person who looks somewhat like all the previous girlfriends you have had. Initiating a 3-D video chat, she seems very friendly and has a lot of the same interests as you do. Every now and then -- so infrequently that you do not notice -- she mentions a particular brand or commercial product, always providing a link. Other than tha…

For the past 2K+ years philosophy has been unsuccessful to establish whether the world is more real than (or whether it is real at all outside of) our perception of that said world. Internet/VR adds one more layer in between our perception and the world (even in the case if the world is completely inside the perception). Philosophy is going to boom (in all senses) in the 21st century.

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there in Korea (Asia) a counter culture to pop? The western youth is regularly driven like a pendulum to alternative and uncommercialised styles like Hippies, punk, grunge, electro. The stereotypical hipster who only likes obscure music and independent art by starving but true artists.

There is a very active youth crew hardcore scene in Korea. Nicest group of people in world because they are actually a minority and are always hungry for like-minded people.

Scenes are generally full of nice people, until they get popular.

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

#56
Several years ago I came across a website that allows you to make an average face, by averaging the images of multiple people (http://www.faceresearch.org/demos/average?img=/tomcat/averag...). Averaging two dozen faces produces rather striking results (http://boston.conman.org/2007/08/28.1). Even averaging a few faces produces better looking people.

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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This is only a little bit weirder on the continuum of what we already do for pop starlets, both in Japan and the United States. Japan has been manufacturing them -- that is totally the right word, too -- for about 30 years. Disney cottoned onto it a bit later. These days producers already have the key personality traits, demographic fit, sound, and marketing campaign for the new brand already planned out prior to lau…

That manufacturing also appears to carry a considerable investment (or possible payoff). One initially wonders why, when manufactured pop stars spectacularly flame out, that they are simply told to go low profile for a while then come back and act like nothing happened...until you think of them as a multi-million dollar entertainment machine their managers no doubt poured tons of money into in the form of singing les…

I definitely have a sense that the K-POP labels have virtual stables of up and coming "properties"

Someone I knew in London 5 or so years ago got a Development Deal with one of the major labels. He stayed in his normal job, but was paid a retainer to not talk to any other labels for a period of time. I don't know how much it was, but the first time the money hit his account he thought he'd been overpaid and called them so they could correct their error - he was told it was the right amount.

They'd give him some studio time occasionally and have him record demos and do showcase performances for various important people. They offered him a personal chef and a personal trainer to tone up.

Last I heard nothing had ever come of the whole thing. No records released, no attempt at publicly launching his career, etc. I assume the money stopped coming at some point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist_development_deal

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

#59

Now automate the entire thing. 20 years from now. You are befriended on Facebook++ by a person who looks somewhat like all the previous girlfriends you have had. Initiating a 3-D video chat, she seems very friendly and has a lot of the same interests as you do. Every now and then -- so infrequently that you do not notice -- she mentions a particular brand or commercial product, always providing a link. Other than tha…

Which raises the question - is this a bad thing? http://xkcd.com/810/

When they pretend to be a person and not just a commentor, yes. Have another xkcd http://xkcd.com/632/

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That manufacturing also appears to carry a considerable investment (or possible payoff). One initially wonders why, when manufactured pop stars spectacularly flame out, that they are simply told to go low profile for a while then come back and act like nothing happened...until you think of them as a multi-million dollar entertainment machine their managers no doubt poured tons of money into in the form of singing les…

Is there in Korea (Asia) a counter culture to pop? The western youth is regularly driven like a pendulum to alternative and uncommercialised styles like Hippies, punk, grunge, electro. The stereotypical hipster who only likes obscure music and independent art by starving but true artists.

There is, but the "stick it to the man and be a rebel" vibe is not nearly as strong as in the States.

Every once in a while the mainstream will flirt with some of the indie groups, sometimes some of the style rubs off and the Pop industry will change.

One very well known case (in Korea) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seo_Tae_Ji basically revolutionized the entire industry a couple of times, changing styles like some people change hair cuts. He basically introduced hard rock and rap into the mainstream (which basically was stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2lD9cvkDx8 ) until he came along.

But there's really some great stuff in the indie scene there. One duo has recently started getting noticed a bit in the mainstream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmJYbdRfDNQ

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