That would be totally illegal in Germany, and most of the EU. Not only the employee tracking and forcing them to install anything on their private devices, but also the data collection and not disclosing what is collected, where, and how long, and not implementing an automatic deletion.
Here in the UK government introduced zero rights employment just few days ago and that would be totally legal here.
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Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately, we've reached a no return point. The next natural stage will be the raise of fascist states. With mass surveillance, AI, and nuclear weapons it will be almost impossible to overthrow them.
You have overestimate that there is no overthrow of these. Geurilla war in Vietnam, Midle East, other have been fight best militarys with succeeding. But here we also have reason why we are needing for to keep gun rights, and for to end existing infringment (e.g. no restricting on automatics).
When you invade somebody and lose - you return to status quo (with some bad diplomatic consequences but still). There's a point past which it doesn't make sense to escalate.
When your citizens try to overthrow you and you lose - you and your family are dead soon. There's no thing that autocratic government won't do to avoid being overthrown.
As for fantasies of gun rights preventing fascism - it didn't historically (see Italy where before Mussolini the gun laws were very loose). Nor did fascism necessarily resulted in stricter gun control (in Germany Hitler actually loosened the gun laws after he took control). It frankly doesn't matter.
The simple fact is - in a developed country uprisings have 0 chance of winning against a professional army. Hand guns change nothing. The only way to win is to persuade the army to take your side. Which usually happens when the country doesn't have enough money to buy their loyalty.
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
#53That would be totally illegal in Germany, and most of the EU. Not only the employee tracking and forcing them to install anything on their private devices, but also the data collection and not disclosing what is collected, where, and how long, and not implementing an automatic deletion.
Here in the UK government introduced zero rights employment just few days ago and that would be totally legal here.
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#54We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.
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#55I would like to see the employer reaction if someone has a Librem phone or any non Android/iOS mobile. Yet it's +800$ for this short satisfaction.
You can get this sort of satisfaction for much less money. Try a Volla phone [1] or a KaiOS based phone [2]. That's always funny when some services assume that just having an iOS or Android App (and no equivalent web-page) is enough to cater to everyone. Especially in the corona-virus crisis it will prove interesting whether some mandated "contact tracing" or "vaccination pass" style Apps are going to effectively tur…
i.e. you need a real, Google android device. Stuff such as the Jolla Android emulator just doesn't work with these programs.
At first, I could not pay my parking tickets, and I didn't complain much since I don't have that many parking tickets. Then it started with e.g. mandatory usage of the COVID-app-of-the-day before entering restaurants, but again I didn't complain much since I don't really want to go into restaurants with the virus still flying. Now the banks require it and they are ignoring my repeated requests to go back to simpler paper/card OTP variants. How long until it is mandatory to file taxes?
The framework for making open source operating systems irrelevant is being laid before my own eyes and I can't do anything about it.
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#56Is there any scientific evidence that this kind of excessive cleaning had any impact on COVID? What was the cost-benefit-analysis, how many years of life were saved per $, and how does that compare to other health interventions? If we just banned junk food at these schools, but let COVID run rampant (the number of children and teenagers dead from COVID is essentially statistical noise), would we have improved health…
The things you mention can be solved by actual supervision (you know, a supervisor doing their job) and old-fashioned time clock.
The issue here is expecting the employee to install a spying app on their personal phone. If it’s that important, they should give the employee a work phone with the app.
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#57We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.
I had a team of 10, two of them are remote, we recruted a third person, we work 40 hours a week, usually more or less flexible. We have recruted another person, after 6 month of work with him i have noticed some strange delays, like take too much time to respond etc, we work in pretty much relaxed environement so it was not visible very much. After a quick search i have found his freelance account and proposed him to…
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
#58We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.
I had a team of 10, two of them are remote, we recruted a third person, we work 40 hours a week, usually more or less flexible. We have recruted another person, after 6 month of work with him i have noticed some strange delays, like take too much time to respond etc, we work in pretty much relaxed environement so it was not visible very much. After a quick search i have found his freelance account and proposed him to…
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
#59We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.
I had a team of 10, two of them are remote, we recruted a third person, we work 40 hours a week, usually more or less flexible. We have recruted another person, after 6 month of work with him i have noticed some strange delays, like take too much time to respond etc, we work in pretty much relaxed environement so it was not visible very much. After a quick search i have found his freelance account and proposed him to…
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
#60We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.
For example, if you go to some big box store and forget to make you pay for something, I don't know many people who will point out the mistake and pay their due. The same people will probably be more inclined to do so if the shop in question is a small shop and they know the owner personally, even more so if he is an actual friend.
And the level of trust reflects that. Big box stores will monitor everything, because they know their customers can't be trusted, while friends will not even keep tabs. At the highest level, I don't know any country that trust their citizens when it comes to paying taxes, for good reason. There is an entire industry dedicated to more or less legal tax avoidance, opposed by an army of legislators and inspectors.
We have lost trust long ago. I'd say the turning point is the invention of the lock, thousands of years ago. I mean, isn't the lock and its information counterpart, cryptography, a symbol of distrust? For me, it is, but it is also what allows us to be secure among people we don't know.