Off-topic but still makes me sad: Spotify removed all episodes of Joe Rogan for me by removing podcasts feature from Ukrainian (and not only) users. I’m a paid user btw. Worst part is that since JRE is free for such large part of internet users, it’s impossible to find on torrents unless it’s Elon Musk or similar. Sigh.
Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you think so? Almost all TV shows are exclusive to their platforms, and they're doing fine. What makes audio different?
Hosting audio is a multiple orders of magnitude easier then video, which means platforms don't have as much value to add.
They don't need to add value for the end user if they can control the scarce resource (content) by buying it up and providing more lucrative monetisation options for creators.
Their play is a hybrid of a streaming service and an adtech giant, and I imagine they're keeping their options open to see whether it pays to keep both sides of that model open or to pick one. Either way, one of the reasons I don't like what they're doing is because I can see it working.
Besides all that, there is some value to having all of your audio in one app.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#53>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.
If people are worried about Spotify mistreating Joe than, no, there's nothing to see here. But there is absolutely something to see here for those who are worried about preserving content and the precedent for censorship in future episodes of Joe's podcast.
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#54I wonder if/how much the move cost his listener ship. I see in the comments pleas for Joe to come back to Youtube. I dont know why this happens but Spotify does not work with UConnect on my Jeep. It plays for 1-2 seconds and then mutes. Spotify is the only music/audio platform that doesnt work with Uconnect, but that immediately removes it from being played in my car. Long car rides are where I consume podcasts, so n…
I don't listen to Rogan anymore but I'm knee deep into MMA and I constantly see complaints about spotify by other people in my young male demo. Even people who have a spotify sub hate it because their video player is terrible compared to yt. Then there's tons of people who don't have spotify so they mostly stopped besides clips that get posted to yt. Could be just a thing of a mad vocal minority, but every time his mma interviews pop up it's filled with massively upvoted comments complaining about spotify.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#55>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.
He often stated that nothing will change and no censorship would take place because of the move to spotify.
For many he was one of the last credible places that would give a place to more extreme voices, even if he might not agree. For years he actively advocated free speech and integrity. Commercially it might be part of the deal, but it's understandable many of his listeners feel like he sold out.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am totally baffled as to why that makes you feel better.
It doesn’t make me feel any specific way. I’m just referencing information. What do you mean exactly?
> It doesn’t make me feel any specific way.
I think it should!
It's disconcerting to see the expansion of platform censorship even if the censored party is aware of it, "doesn't care," and was in on the deal. That "it's just business" doesn't make it a neutral development. Spotify gets to decide what ideologies are acceptable for Spotify listeners. This is just one point on the graph. The overall picture is more and more of this stuff, with little or no resistance.
You like that? You feel nothing either way? There is a moral and political valence to this stuff.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#57>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.
Wait, you left off the next sentence, which is very important:
> Whether Rogan understood that several dozen shows were being removed — and may still be getting removed — is also unclear.
42 of his shows have been removed. Even out of 1631 shows, that seems like more than a few. For $100 million he may not care, but for general listeners its a little unnerving that Spotify would be doing this. I'm a grown adult, I can decide what I want to listen to - why are they getting in the way? One of the main of appeals of his program is that he's having interesting conversations with interesting people. He's willing to talk to people with wildly different view points. When Spotify's editors start removing shows they don't like, they also remove part of the appeal of the show. If they find so much of the show unpalatable, why did they make the deal in the first place?
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#58This seems analogous to Howard Stern moving from terrestrial radio to satellite radio. Big financial win for the star, but ultimately less accessible content for the casual listeners.
That being said, I think every show has been pirated and is available for download somewhere.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#59I wonder if/how much the move cost his listener ship. I see in the comments pleas for Joe to come back to Youtube. I dont know why this happens but Spotify does not work with UConnect on my Jeep. It plays for 1-2 seconds and then mutes. Spotify is the only music/audio platform that doesnt work with Uconnect, but that immediately removes it from being played in my car. Long car rides are where I consume podcasts, so n…
Anecdotal, but post-Spotify, I have probably watched less than 10% as much as I used to--paying Spotify customer as well. The Spotify video/podcast UX is awful.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#60Well that’s silly. Spotify knew exactly what they bought.
And Rogan knew exactly who he was signing with (a risk-averse media company). Two parties voluntarily decided to do business according to some mutually agreeable terms. None of this should be surprising or outrageous to anyone...but, here we are.
So they appear to have mutually agreed to remove content to conform to the prevailing pressure to restrict public discourse to only politically correct content. While it is certainly their right to make any business arrangement they want, it is distressing that open conversation continues to shrink in our world, whether it be through unilateral cancelation or mutual agreement for the sake of money.