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Re: Have I Been Facebooked?

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post #47

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The leak doesn’t provide much. The backlash of sending an email will instantly be way worse than what was actually leaked. Far worse leaks happen routinely from big names. However Facebook’s negative reputation would sway so far against it, you’d think Facebook had doxxed every one. I don’t particularly like Facebook or any big corporation FYI.

The backlash of GDPR for not informing users may be far more severe.

Sure, but if the cost of paying the fines for that is less than the expected loss of revenue from demonstrating, directly, that you can't keep user data safe (to a global audience, not just Europe), it's rational for Facebook to take the fines (of course, arguing via their lawyers as long as possible that they shouldn't be required to pay them - lawyer bills are harder to spin as an admission of guilt).

I don't like it, but it makes some level of sense from their perspective. We tend, globally, to prefer "gentle swat on the back of the hand" level penalties for companies that have behaved terribly.

Re: Have I Been Facebooked?

#53
post #7

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> Why has there been no communication from them? It's not like they care even a bit. And they wouldn't win any goodwill from it. If you have been zucked, you've been zucked, that is it.

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask. Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb f**s.

Culture comes straight from the top. You can certainly tell that with Facebook and Zuckerberg.

A good solution to this would be to put a hiring freeze on any ex-Facebooker and claim that if they can overlook Facebook's questionable practices, then they would be a danger for your company and its customers.

Hold employees responsible for the actions of their employer.

You could institute a "two year freeze" for any FB alum. A public statement by an ex-employee rebuking these practices would be enough to sidestep the hiring moratorium, but make them acknowledge how bad their employer is for privacy and democracy.

Especially after what they did with the last US election cycle.

Re: Have I Been Facebooked?

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post #34

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ELI5 why facebook is exceptionally evil. (Of course I'm inviting downvotes, but please give me a comment too; ideally a reason that isn't also applicable to 'internet as a whole').

They're not much more evil than any other publicly traded, advertising supported content repackager (so the bulk of "social" media these days), but they're far worse than a lot of other places on the internet because of their power as the "default location" for a lot of people to go when bored. Facebook, long ago, stopped being about connecting people (except that claiming this gets more people to join), and more abo…

Thanks for the thorough response.

> They're not much more evil than any other publicly traded

Ok, that's basically my point, but people seem adamant that they are somehow exceptionally evil.

> content repackager

> companies who take user-generated content, repackage it

What do you mean by taking user-generated content and repackaging it? I understand that users often do this themselves, but what exactly is Facebook repackaging?

> "default location" for a lot of people to go when bored

For me this is HN

> keep people addicted

This does seem evil, if the product is causing the user harm.

> They believe the entire internet is theirs to scrape user activity

I could see how this bothers people, though it doesn't bother me that much personally. Follow-up question: do you view Fullstory as evil?

> Facebook being fingered as directly responsible for enabling reprehensible behavior

To me, this is a sad misuse of a tool. But yes, efforts should be made to limit the tool's possibility for evil usage.

Re: Have I Been Facebooked?

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post #27

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Allowing searches with wildcards is analogous to publishing the entire database. That being said, I think the cat is out of the bag on this one so maybe that wouldn’t be the end of the world.

>Allowing searches with wildcards is analogous to publishing the entire database. What's the harm in publishing a list of phone numbers, without any other info attached? I can generate a list of all phone numbers in north america by iterating through all the digits.

I don't get it either...

https://www.yellowbook.com/order-directory/

Re: Have I Been Facebooked?

#58
post #46

Can someone bcrypt all these phone numbers & emails and make that public? Share the salt and then everyone can just test their own phone number without sending it to some rando

What's the difference in salting if the salt is shared?

Edit: Replying again- sorry. Thinking about this some more-- if the person were to concatenate the number with first last or something they could distribute the list and the person's name would be the salt. So 9195551212JohnDoe becomes $hash and user just has to know all the pieces to test locally.

Re: Have I Been Facebooked?

#59
post #8

I'm looking forward to the sequel, "Have I Been 'Have I Been Facebooked'ed" when it turns out this is just a data harvesting operation. If you don't want your phone number leaked don't hand it over to a random website that pinky swears it won't keep it. It's maybe not a scam, but still...

My phone number is a 10-digit number, the first 3 of which are an area code. It gets spam calls and texts (though that miraculously decreased on November 4th...) as it is. Now, combined with browser fingerprinting, perhaps this site can tie my specific 10-digit number to some other aspects of who I am, but I'll leave that part as an exercise for a willing volunteer. I'm not terribly concerned about entering my phone…

2 factor sms authentication

Re: Have I Been Facebooked?

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post #54
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not much more evil than any other publicly traded, advertising supported content repackager (so the bulk of "social" media these days), but they're far worse than a lot of other places on the internet because of their power as the "default location" for a lot of people to go when bored. Facebook, long ago, stopped being about connecting people (except that claiming this gets more people to join), and more abo…

Thanks for the thorough response. > They're not much more evil than any other publicly traded Ok, that's basically my point, but people seem adamant that they are somehow exceptionally evil. > content repackager > companies who take user-generated content, repackage it What do you mean by taking user-generated content and repackaging it? I understand that users often do this themselves, but what exactly is Facebook r…

> ...but people seem adamant that they are somehow exceptionally evil.

They are more directly responsible for keeping people in a mentally toxic {outraged, angry, upset} state than most other companies. Their reach far exceeds Twitter (2.5B active users vs about 180M for Twitter), so I'll consider them "more evil" in that they have a far greater reach. While I may have plenty of bones to pick with Google, Amazon, etc, they don't directly influence mental state for their own profit like Facebook does.

> What do you mean by taking user-generated content and repackaging it?

Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, YouTube, etc, do not (meaningfully) generate their own content (yes, you'll see an occasional Facebook blog post usually saying "We're sorry for getting caught this time..." but that's not their primary purpose). They take content that their end users generate (photos, posts, links, etc), and repackage it, reorder it, inject ads, and deliver it to other people.

This is distinct from other content producers (news sites, blogs, etc) in which the site owners/employees/etc are the primary generators of material. I write content for my blog, and while I host and deliver the occasional user comment, the primary purpose of my blog is for me to communicate my thoughts to other people. I also, after several years of experimentation, now do so in an ad-free manner, because the small returns weren't worth the hassle, and I'm increasingly opposed to an ad-supported internet, so I now self-host my content and pay my hosting fees out of pocket.

> For me this is HN

Yes, but HN doesn't matter. It is also neither ad supported or, to the best of my knowledge, a public company (at least the HN interface). It's exceedingly low bandwidth and I quite like it as a remnant of an old style of internet that no longer really exists.

> Follow-up question: do you view Fullstory as evil?

I don't know what Fullstory is, so have no opinion on it.

> But yes, efforts should be made to limit the tool's possibility for evil usage.

Or to respond meaningfully when it's demonstrated that the tool is being used for it. Facebook tends to the minimum required to look like they've done something, and when someone else points out that the people the filters are aimed at have trivially bypassed them by changing the spelling of a word, Facebook throws up their hands and says, "Well, moderation is hard, we can't afford humans, and AI sucks, so... sorry!"

If you're too big to have meaningful human moderation that can understand nuance, maybe you're just too big as a forum/site/community/etc.

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