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Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Post by legerdemain »

brighton36 wrote: post #47
legerdemain wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the inside of an elementary grade classroom before, and I agree with you 100%. So many American children and even adults mispronounce vowel sounds, it's scary. Something around 60% of American adults look at a simple word like "iron" and say something that resembles "I yearn." Did no one tell them how it sounds?

I like you. Including your username. I'm surprised your comments aren't down voted more. They're honest. People don't seem to like that these days.

Reach out and touch me.

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Post by NoSorryCannot »

legerdemain wrote: post #46
nullserver wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Married to a teacher. Logic has no part in most elementary classrooms. I argue we need to go dumber. Have a basic certification that you can teach vowel sounds. Bring in plenty of cheap people to lower grades and have them work 1 on 1 with each student. Seen way to much of teachers teaching to what the kids are supposed to be capable of, vs what they actually are.

I've seen the inside of an elementary grade classroom before, and I agree with you 100%. So many American children and even adults mispronounce vowel sounds, it's scary. Something around 60% of American adults look at a simple word like "iron" and say something that resembles "I yearn." Did no one tell them how it sounds?

I trust you pronounce "knight" and "whale" the way that gave them that spelling instead of relying on your inventory of sounds and phonotactics that you picked up from your community of native speakers.

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Post by CountDrewku »

Leparamour wrote: post #18
CountDrewku wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep the problem is the so called "bad information" is mostly just stuff the left dislikes due to Trump and not necessarily false. This is easy to see now that Biden is doing just as badly with immigration and even worse is some regards but now suddenly it's not an issue we need to be concerned with. It's incredibly obvious that even factual information is being regarded as false if it doesn't align with a certain age…

I think your comment will be downvoted to invisibility for using the trigger words "Trump" and "the left" but you're not wrong. As a European we experience the political trickle-down of "critical race theory" from the US cultural war even if our history is completely different. And as an outsider, the double-standard in reporting and tone on Trump vs. Biden is disturbing to see.

"downvoted to invisibility for using the trigger words "Trump" and "the left" but you're not wrong."

Yep but it just reinforces my point so let them. Notice they don't comment because they don't really have a leg to stand on.

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Post by CountDrewku »

gonehome wrote: post #29
Leparamour wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your comment will be downvoted to invisibility for using the trigger words "Trump" and "the left" but you're not wrong. As a European we experience the political trickle-down of "critical race theory" from the US cultural war even if our history is completely different. And as an outsider, the double-standard in reporting and tone on Trump vs. Biden is disturbing to see.

CRT specifically may be largely junk (I think it is), but the parent comment is not correct. Trump's "Zero Tolerance" immigration policy intentionally separated mothers and their children at the border with the intent being deterrence. Cruelty was the intended goal of that policy to dissuade people from coming to the border. Previously adults and children would only be separated if border patrol suspected abuse (chil…

You realize there are thousands of children being housed without their parents currently right? That's a direct result of Biden making it appear that anyone can just walk right across the border now because he's so friendly and supportive of illegal immigration. In my opinion that's much worse than Trump dissuading people from the start. People are dying and Biden has incited a mass immigration crisis.

Regardless of that specific issue this is the main problem with "bad information". I and many people do not agree with your assessment and I also don't agree you have the right to say definitively what Biden is doing is better and then brainwash our children into believing it by declaring it disinformation when they don't agree.

This quote from the article is enough for me to know it's not about disinformation at all but more about pushing an agenda: "The U.S. intelligence community found that in both the 2020 and 2016 elections, Russia employed a range of online methods in an attempt to help former President Donald Trump, and undermine his Democratic rivals, Hillary Clinton and President Biden." Trump was cleared by the FBI and that investigation returned no evidence to support this. It's equivalent to declaring the election was stolen in 2020 but again we see it's not an issue since it comes from the "chosen" side.

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Post by gonehome »

CountDrewku wrote: post #54
gonehome wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CRT specifically may be largely junk (I think it is), but the parent comment is not correct. Trump's "Zero Tolerance" immigration policy intentionally separated mothers and their children at the border with the intent being deterrence. Cruelty was the intended goal of that policy to dissuade people from coming to the border. Previously adults and children would only be separated if border patrol suspected abuse (chil…

You realize there are thousands of children being housed without their parents currently right? That's a direct result of Biden making it appear that anyone can just walk right across the border now because he's so friendly and supportive of illegal immigration. In my opinion that's much worse than Trump dissuading people from the start. People are dying and Biden has incited a mass immigration crisis. Regardless of…

Obama was coined the “deporter in chief” while in office and Biden has similarly said he will deport people who cross the border illegally.

The difference is in intentional cruelty and the policy around how you deal with the problem. Housing minors that crossed without parents is not the same as forcibly and intentionally separating parents and children.

Immigration crisis causes are complex and have to do with the state of countries south of the US. You’d probably agree that Trump’s rhetoric didn’t incite “the caravan” yet they came anyway. Biden’s rhetoric against border crossing has been strict, he’s just not going to violate their rights.

Russia did have a preference for Trump and worked to help him (as detailed in the FBI’s report with lots of evidence to support this). Trump’s actions did not rise to the level of criminal conspiracy, but they did rise to the level of obstruction of justice (also detailed in the report), but ultimately that’s a determination that must be made by Congress to whom the report deferred.

This was a decision made based on an interpretation of fairness based on the OLC opinion (basically that it’d be wrong to assert guilt when you can’t charge). So it was left to Congress to interpret.

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Post by CyberDildonics »

nullserver wrote: post #50
legerdemain wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the inside of an elementary grade classroom before, and I agree with you 100%. So many American children and even adults mispronounce vowel sounds, it's scary. Something around 60% of American adults look at a simple word like "iron" and say something that resembles "I yearn." Did no one tell them how it sounds?

Was in a senior in high school French. Teacher was explaining how to translate present participle. Complete blank stares. Only thing anyone knew was noun and verb. Teacher had a complete meltdown. So for next week em the entire school, every English class was School house Rock videos. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DCdt8-H1BFY&feature=youtu.be

What does that have to do with what you replied to?

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Post by 908B64B197 »

teachtwolearn wrote: post #44

Surprised this isn't more common. I had assumed these classes were already part of most curriculums, because it was taught when kids were in their early-mid teens when I was in primary school ~15 years ago. They called it something like "library technology" at the time, but the topics focused on how to find and vet information online. This was also when Wikipedia was still new. One of my 8th grade teachers was so ann…

> This was also when Wikipedia was still new. One of my 8th grade teachers was so annoyed by the platform that they planted false information in the page of a historical figure that we were writing an essay about.

Someone should have reported the edits and sent the logs to a tech publication. I'm sure they would have loved it.

In all seriousness, I laughed when I saw a "life hack" that basically said: "How to Get Better Grades: Never Quote Wikipedia, Quote the Sources of Wikipedia".

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Post by 908B64B197 »

teucris wrote: post #13
gonehome wrote: post #6

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Also because teachers have trouble with it. I’d guess out of all the teachers I had at a decent public school, probably only 1 in 5 could be reasonably considered critical thinkers. I’d guess 2 in 5 were actively hostile to the concept and the rest were just ambivalent. Illegitimate (or at least arbitrary) authority is something schools seem to thrive on. Our school had a staircase you could only go up and one you co…

> Underpaid, low status jobs To me this is the critical problem. Education is an incredibly important part of a well-functioning society, but we treat teachers very poorly. We need to elevate teachers, both in the training & expertise needed as well as the pay and autonomy we provide them.

That's why you vote for lower taxes so you can reinvest the savings in the local private school!

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Post by CountDrewku »

gonehome wrote: post #55
CountDrewku wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize there are thousands of children being housed without their parents currently right? That's a direct result of Biden making it appear that anyone can just walk right across the border now because he's so friendly and supportive of illegal immigration. In my opinion that's much worse than Trump dissuading people from the start. People are dying and Biden has incited a mass immigration crisis. Regardless of…

Obama was coined the “deporter in chief” while in office and Biden has similarly said he will deport people who cross the border illegally. The difference is in intentional cruelty and the policy around how you deal with the problem. Housing minors that crossed without parents is not the same as forcibly and intentionally separating parents and children. Immigration crisis causes are complex and have to do with the s…

You're avoiding my main point and discussing individual subjective stances.

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Post by gonehome »

CountDrewku wrote: post #59
gonehome wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama was coined the “deporter in chief” while in office and Biden has similarly said he will deport people who cross the border illegally. The difference is in intentional cruelty and the policy around how you deal with the problem. Housing minors that crossed without parents is not the same as forcibly and intentionally separating parents and children. Immigration crisis causes are complex and have to do with the s…

You're avoiding my main point and discussing individual subjective stances.

When your main point is about determining the validity of information - the specifics are relevant. Specific examples give some ground work to build up priors around accuracy beyond just themselves too.

This doesn't excuse CRT related nonsense which should be similarly thrown out, but it doesn't validate Trump support nonsense either. The specifics matter because otherwise it's just tribal politicking.

The examples you used are not subjective stances - it's possible to learn what the truth is if you're trying to understand it (and aren't just driven by motivated reasoning to defend your specific tribe).

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/34XxbRFe54FycoCDw/the-bottom...

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