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Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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If China takes Taiwan, that would shift the balance of power due to Taiwan's role as the leading global chip fabricator. The most recent episode of the podcast ChinaTalk, "China's Chip Dreams", dated March 26, 2021, is relevant.

I don't see a scenario where China gets anything more than a smoldering crater in terms of industry if they manage to take Taiwan by force.

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#52
post #7

If you're to follow local media in China, the rhetoric around taking back Taiwan has grown stronger. Winnie the pooh also got a time limit extension on CCP leadership on the platform of a fully unified China. The signs are all there, though I just don't see how anything resembling a conventional warfare can happen there. The potential lives at risk are quite high and if the toll is that high it will be difficult to s…

The anti-China rhetoric and propaganda in the USA has been steadily ramping up over the last 3-5 years as well, for better or worse. I don't think this is an accident or happenstance.

If China decided to take Taiwan in a small and local (and, let's be honest: extremely quick) action, there would be broad domestic support in the US for the US interfering.

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#53
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can only hope for a diplomatic resolution That makes it seem like you want China to take Taiwan uncontested. I hope for either no conflict at all, or for Taiwan's allies to help defend it.

>"That makes it seem like you want China to take Taiwan uncontested." I, like any sane person, would like to avoid WWIII. It's easy to play armchair general with no skin in the game. But the reality is that there would be no support in the US for sending American soldiers to die for Taiwan. Let alone the nuclear ramifications. If Beijing decides to take it, we will sit here and watch. The same way we do currently as…

> we will sit here and watch

I think there will be very significant economic escalation. US + EU and probably some local countries (India, Vietnam Indonesia) will just ban all Chinese trade, maybe force Japan and SK do the same. China may get some Taiwanese fabs, but it's only single cell in supply chain, and may be rendered useless without integration into global economy.

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#55
post #32
post #7

If you're to follow local media in China, the rhetoric around taking back Taiwan has grown stronger. Winnie the pooh also got a time limit extension on CCP leadership on the platform of a fully unified China. The signs are all there, though I just don't see how anything resembling a conventional warfare can happen there. The potential lives at risk are quite high and if the toll is that high it will be difficult to s…

Russia took Crimea even though it was recognized as territory of Ukraine. No large power recognizes Taiwan as sovereign country, not even US. The largest country that recognizes Taiwan is Guatemala. I don't see how it is out of the question that China just sails to Taiwan and takes it while everybody else stands and watches.

Taiwan is far more strategically important than Crimea. I'd hope at a minimum we'd raze TSMC facilities and get key personnel out of the country.

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#56
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many pro-China people living in Taiwan. So there is local support...

Anecdotal, but I lived in Taiwan for several years and never met anyone who was even remotely pro-CCP.

Just like you won't see any trump supporters, pun intended, right?

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

#57
China has been slowly biding their time and consolidating their soft and firm power throughout the world. They’re taking over institutions, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re not actively cultivating power here in the USA among elected officials. The tip of the iceberg?

We (the USA) does this sort of stuff all of the time. When we will stop pretending that China doesn’t?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/08/10/thiessen-sen-dianne-f...

https://spectator.us/topic/eric-swalwell-honeypot-china-ccp-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/27/world/asia/china-linkedin...

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

#58
"An invasion of Taiwan, the self-governed island claimed by Beijing, would force the U.S. to decide whether to go to war with China to defend an implicit ally."

The U.S. and its allies have two choices:

1. Officially recognize Taiwan as a country and make it an explicit ally.

2. Give Xi the green light to annex Taiwan.

I don't see any middle ground here. Failure to do #1 is functionally the same as #2.

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

#60

All the American companies that choose to censor the word Taiwan and call it part of China are directly complicit with this. No rational person in a position of responsibility could have thought that this wasn’t the long term intention

Which intentional treaty denied Taiwan being part of China?

BTW, it's totally fine for people living on the Taiwan island to form an independent country, like what Jewish people did. But please, do not annex my home country's sovereign land.

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