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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by alasdair_ » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 4:51 PM UTC

Aunche wrote: post #40

system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

All things considered, the Hong Kong police did what they had to given their precarious position. Compare the 2 deaths during a year of protesting to the 19 deaths within a couple weeks of the George Floyd protests. Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent, so it doesn't make sense to demonize them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong…

> Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent

It’s worth noting that a lot of the “Hong Kong police” that were involved in breaking up protests seemed to come from the mainland and only spoke mandarin, not cantonese.

Edit: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908... is one of many sources

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 4:51 PM UTC

Aunche wrote: post #40

system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

All things considered, the Hong Kong police did what they had to given their precarious position. Compare the 2 deaths during a year of protesting to the 19 deaths within a couple weeks of the George Floyd protests. Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent, so it doesn't make sense to demonize them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong…

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by ipnon » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 4:51 PM UTC

ipnon wrote: post #26

jonathannat wrote: post #13

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/18/hong-kong-huge... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48656471 At many different times in 2019, 1.7M-2M Hong Kong citizens, or 25% of the population, proudly protested in the streets and requested for their freedom. If only something good had came out of it. Now it's sunk to what China's best at: false arrests: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/mc5bah/young…

Regarding arrest for accessing online information, I have become fascinated lately with the concept of legal warfare. It is the use of legal constructions to align other governments or subordinate bureaucracies to your strategic goals. For example, when Russia invaded Ukraine, they used the pretext that only volunteers from Russia were traveling to Ukraine to support a legal separatist movement. Now none of these cla…

So you might consider acts such as arresting journalists for accessing public databases as a form of legal warfare, where the strategic goal is to incapacitate any sort of democratic activity in Hong Kong, and abusing the legal system to criminalize the behavior of democracy activists ex post facto can then be considered a sort of "weapon" in an extremely broad sense of the word.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by logotype » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 4:52 PM UTC

newbie578 wrote: post #28

Let’s see how long it takes until the brigade arrives and starts saying how America is bad, and China does no wrong. :)

It doesn’t take long. And it’s always familiar usernames who continues to spread lies and misinformation. The CCP is a virus and need to be deleted from earth.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by ghostwriter » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 4:52 PM UTC

ipnon wrote: post #26

jonathannat wrote: post #13

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/18/hong-kong-huge... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48656471 At many different times in 2019, 1.7M-2M Hong Kong citizens, or 25% of the population, proudly protested in the streets and requested for their freedom. If only something good had came out of it. Now it's sunk to what China's best at: false arrests: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/mc5bah/young…

Regarding arrest for accessing online information, I have become fascinated lately with the concept of legal warfare. It is the use of legal constructions to align other governments or subordinate bureaucracies to your strategic goals. For example, when Russia invaded Ukraine, they used the pretext that only volunteers from Russia were traveling to Ukraine to support a legal separatist movement. Now none of these cla…

Not taking a side here, just pointing out the fact that the tactic was known and used well before the Crimean events:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Hawaiian_King...

The current difference is that now it's happenning during a live broadcast, and the actions are being tried to be justified (as "justice") through existing legal frameworks.

That's one of the ways Empires grow their periphery regions. Another way is when an Empire spreads its culture and abundance to orbiting regions, so that inhabitants of the periphery get a personal interest in becoming the part of the Empire and bringing a change to their governing bodies to align with the metropolis.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by jonathannat » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

MsMowz wrote: post #44

I'll try to strictly source my remarks and refrain from commenting on the political content of the HK demonstrations to keep this purely factual, as I think this could be a rather controversial thread; however, it's interesting how different the reception to these demonstrations is to the reception to the US Capitol riots and the BLM demonstrations of last year. Hong Kong demonstrators have stormed government buildin…

Difference:

US riot - citizens who enjoy democratic freedom protested against republic/democratic government. protest got violent, government handled it.

Hong Kong riot - citizens who enjoy(ed) democratic freedom protested against encroaching dictatorship. protest was peaceful, but then turned violent when police faking as protestors started violence. protest got violent, government handled it (openly and in secret). The dictatorship increased its power at the end.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by chronicsunshine » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

MsMowz wrote: post #44

I'll try to strictly source my remarks and refrain from commenting on the political content of the HK demonstrations to keep this purely factual, as I think this could be a rather controversial thread; however, it's interesting how different the reception to these demonstrations is to the reception to the US Capitol riots and the BLM demonstrations of last year. Hong Kong demonstrators have stormed government buildin…

Equating the two is ridiculous.

The Capitol Riots were an attempt to overturn a free and fair democratic election in favor of the rioters preferred candidate.

The HK protests are in relation to freedom from the Chinese Government's dictatorial rule.

Democracy is what is most important in both of these situations. The Capitol Riots were anti democracy. The HK protests are pro democracy.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by justicezyx » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

alasdair_ wrote: post #51

Aunche wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All things considered, the Hong Kong police did what they had to given their precarious position. Compare the 2 deaths during a year of protesting to the 19 deaths within a couple weeks of the George Floyd protests. Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent, so it doesn't make sense to demonize them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong…

> Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent It’s worth noting that a lot of the “Hong Kong police” that were involved in breaking up protests seemed to come from the mainland and only spoke mandarin, not cantonese. Edit: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908... is one of many sources

Source please?

During covid a lot of people were isolated. I doubt anyone mainlanders wanted to risk life to confront the protestors. Note how docile Chinese mainlanders are when they travel around the world.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by luckylion » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

bcgraham wrote: post #50

Aunche wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All things considered, the Hong Kong police did what they had to given their precarious position. Compare the 2 deaths during a year of protesting to the 19 deaths within a couple weeks of the George Floyd protests. Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent, so it doesn't make sense to demonize them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong…

I would be interested in seeing normalized comparisons, data allowing - e.g., X deaths per person-protest-hour, that sort of thing.

That would likely be even more extreme, wouldn't it? As far as I remember, the protests in HK were massive (as in 5-10% of the population in a single event).

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by guardiangod » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

MsMowz wrote: post #44

I'll try to strictly source my remarks and refrain from commenting on the political content of the HK demonstrations to keep this purely factual, as I think this could be a rather controversial thread; however, it's interesting how different the reception to these demonstrations is to the reception to the US Capitol riots and the BLM demonstrations of last year. Hong Kong demonstrators have stormed government buildin…

The obvious difference is that US citizens elected its Congress representatives, while the PRC 'assigns' the majority of the electors in the Hong Kong parliament.

Also while the official death count is low, there are many protestors who simply vanished from HK.