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Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

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Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

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Post by dahican »

emayljames wrote: post #49
bachmeier wrote: post #16

You're selling yourself as a fast alternative to Jira. There's already an established company doing that ( https://clubhouse.io/ ). They also offer a free plan for teams of up to 10 users. You're obviously in business to make money, so good that you're focused on selling your product, but why would someone pay for Kitemaker rather than use Clubhouse for free? Edit: Yes, Kitemaker has a free plan, but it looks quite l…

Clubhouse use letsencrypt (not professional for a business to do that, seriously), and why do they have a picture that pretends to be a clickable video. Not a good start.

What's wrong with letsencrypt?

Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

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Post by vz8 »

bachmeier wrote: post #16

You're selling yourself as a fast alternative to Jira. There's already an established company doing that ( https://clubhouse.io/ ). They also offer a free plan for teams of up to 10 users. You're obviously in business to make money, so good that you're focused on selling your product, but why would someone pay for Kitemaker rather than use Clubhouse for free? Edit: Yes, Kitemaker has a free plan, but it looks quite l…

I tried clubhouse.io after seeing your note, and a few minutes into the demo (which was impressive) the site died (which was less impressive).

And now "Unable to log in. We were unable to parse the server response. This could be a networking issue, so please try again later."

Trying Kitemaker now and hoping the HN hug of death isn't approaching. First impressions: I appreciate the keyboard-shortcut-first UI.

Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

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Post by kevsim »

vz8 wrote: post #52
bachmeier wrote: post #16

You're selling yourself as a fast alternative to Jira. There's already an established company doing that ( https://clubhouse.io/ ). They also offer a free plan for teams of up to 10 users. You're obviously in business to make money, so good that you're focused on selling your product, but why would someone pay for Kitemaker rather than use Clubhouse for free? Edit: Yes, Kitemaker has a free plan, but it looks quite l…

I tried clubhouse.io after seeing your note, and a few minutes into the demo (which was impressive) the site died (which was less impressive). And now "Unable to log in. We were unable to parse the server response. This could be a networking issue, so please try again later." Trying Kitemaker now and hoping the HN hug of death isn't approaching. First impressions: I appreciate the keyboard-shortcut-first UI.

Thanks! Just so I'm clear - it is Kitemaker or Clubhouse you're having networking problems with?

Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

#54

Post by asah »

sorry if obvious: if you're going to compare with Jira, then my first question is "but does it scale?"

Everybody hates Jira, but it scales to 100,000+ issues across dozens of teams. Even tiny teams (heh, any team that's live and/or has a PM) quickly generate 1000s of issues and JQL is *godlike* in sifting through this stuff. Engineers tell me about Trello and I say, "great place to start" knowing they'll come to the dark side soon enough.

thoughts?

Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

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Post by kevsim »

asah wrote: post #54

sorry if obvious: if you're going to compare with Jira, then my first question is "but does it scale?" Everybody hates Jira, but it scales to 100,000+ issues across dozens of teams. Even tiny teams (heh, any team that's live and/or has a PM) quickly generate 1000s of issues and JQL is *godlike* in sifting through this stuff. Engineers tell me about Trello and I say, "great place to start" knowing they'll come to the…

That's a great question. Most of the companies using us today are small. They range from a single dev team to a small handful of dev teams. We're now starting to work with companies "one step up" from there that are coming with requirements about how to connect things across teams. Early days for this work, but we're trying to be really careful to keep this a tool that teams want to collaborate in and not a tool only a product manager would use.

We definitely have come close to the scale you're discussing but I look forward to finding out! That said, we have had a number of smaller companies drop Jira for Kitemaker.

Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

#56

Post by atombender »

vz8 wrote: post #52
bachmeier wrote: post #16

You're selling yourself as a fast alternative to Jira. There's already an established company doing that ( https://clubhouse.io/ ). They also offer a free plan for teams of up to 10 users. You're obviously in business to make money, so good that you're focused on selling your product, but why would someone pay for Kitemaker rather than use Clubhouse for free? Edit: Yes, Kitemaker has a free plan, but it looks quite l…

I tried clubhouse.io after seeing your note, and a few minutes into the demo (which was impressive) the site died (which was less impressive). And now "Unable to log in. We were unable to parse the server response. This could be a networking issue, so please try again later." Trying Kitemaker now and hoping the HN hug of death isn't approaching. First impressions: I appreciate the keyboard-shortcut-first UI.

Clubhouse seems to be having some issues today. That's rare, and I suspect you were unusually unlucky. I've used it for 3-4 years at two different companies, and never experienced any downtime before.

Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

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Post by rjmunro »

bachmeier wrote: post #16

You're selling yourself as a fast alternative to Jira. There's already an established company doing that ( https://clubhouse.io/ ). They also offer a free plan for teams of up to 10 users. You're obviously in business to make money, so good that you're focused on selling your product, but why would someone pay for Kitemaker rather than use Clubhouse for free? Edit: Yes, Kitemaker has a free plan, but it looks quite l…

Google "alternatives to Jira" and there are hundreds of articles with titles like "33 Best Jira Alternatives". It's a massively crowded market.

I thought clubhouse was that audio chat thing, but it seems they don't own an actual domain name for their company.

Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

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Post by kevsim »

rjmunro wrote: post #57
bachmeier wrote: post #16

You're selling yourself as a fast alternative to Jira. There's already an established company doing that ( https://clubhouse.io/ ). They also offer a free plan for teams of up to 10 users. You're obviously in business to make money, so good that you're focused on selling your product, but why would someone pay for Kitemaker rather than use Clubhouse for free? Edit: Yes, Kitemaker has a free plan, but it looks quite l…

Google "alternatives to Jira" and there are hundreds of articles with titles like "33 Best Jira Alternatives". It's a massively crowded market. I thought clubhouse was that audio chat thing, but it seems they don't own an actual domain name for their company.

It is also that and there was quite the rumble on Twitter a while back where the CEO of Clubhouse the issue tracker was getting hatred targeted at the CEO of Clubhouse the audio chat thing.

Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

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Post by leetrout »

berelig wrote: post #42
jdhornby wrote: post #41

Congratulations on the launch. How does this compare with https://linear.app ?

For one it doesn't lag when I scroll through their landing page unlike linear.app 2015 MacBook Pro with Firefox

Bummer. The actual linear application is ridiculously fast.

Re: Launch HN: Kitemaker (YC W21) – Fast alternative to Jira, built for remote teams

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Post by kevsim »

emayljames wrote: post #49
bachmeier wrote: post #16

You're selling yourself as a fast alternative to Jira. There's already an established company doing that ( https://clubhouse.io/ ). They also offer a free plan for teams of up to 10 users. You're obviously in business to make money, so good that you're focused on selling your product, but why would someone pay for Kitemaker rather than use Clubhouse for free? Edit: Yes, Kitemaker has a free plan, but it looks quite l…

Clubhouse use letsencrypt (not professional for a business to do that, seriously), and why do they have a picture that pretends to be a clickable video. Not a good start.

We use the certs automatically issued by GCP, which are also letsencrypt issued.
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