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Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by pottertheotter »

baby wrote: post #45

I’m one of them. Left San Francisco due to the shitty weather, high crime, high rent, not much to do there, everybody is absorbed by their work, etc. I’ve been travelling and I’m currently wondering if I should come back or not...

There's a lot more to Silicon Valley than San Francisco. It's just as expensive with a lot of people absorbed in their work, but does away with the bad weather and crime.

I've never understood why so many tech companies over the last decade went up to SF. Before that most were down the peninsula and in San Jose. I'd pick the lower peninsula over SF no question.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by KorematsuFred »

ping_pong wrote: post #5

Im so tired of random writers, even if it's O'Reilly himself, trying to predict that Silicon Valley is doomed. That's like saying Hollywood is doomed, or Wall Street is doomed. I've been around long enough to know that nothing will unseat Silicon Valley as the tech capital of the world. Silicon Valley has the critical mass of talent, VC money and greed that can't be replicated anywhere else in the world. There's a re…

While the title of Tim's essay (which is not all matching with the title) is wrong so is your conclusion.

> Silicon Valley will never die.

Silicon valley is already dead in many sense. It has long stopped being the place where bunch of nerds could meet and make interesting stuff purely for the soul in the game. In last 20 years it is replaced by "i want to get rich" crowd who are building crappy products, VCs in suites who just get lucky every now and then, Big Tech which is a bog in itself, greedy and corrupt politicians squeezing people. The joy of building stuff is replaced with pressure of white board coding, and folks are large cos are not really solving interesting problems but haggling over promos and TC on teamblind.com.

SV of today is just another wall street where people spend their 20s and 30s doing back breaking work so they could get out of this place in their 40s. It is a soul less place.

I think SV will die eventually (so will NY, London or any other city) over sufficiently long period.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by Apocryphon »

caslon wrote: post #14

High-profile entrepreneurs like Elon Musk, venture capitalists like Peter Thiel and Keith Rabois, and big companies like Oracle and HP Enterprise are all leaving California. Oh wow! Larry Ellison, that one guy who lies about his cars putting literal lives at risk , a figurative vampire (infuses literal blood of young people into himself) and his thrall, and a company that hasn't been relevant since the 1970s all are…

The article neither tells anyone to leave SV nor is it talking about SV as a geographical area but rather the modern state of the tech industry, if you and so many others like you have actually bothered to read to the end of the very first paragraph.

> Is this the end of Silicon Valley as we know it? Perhaps. But other challenges to Silicon Valley’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by justinzollars »

ping_pong wrote: post #5

Im so tired of random writers, even if it's O'Reilly himself, trying to predict that Silicon Valley is doomed. That's like saying Hollywood is doomed, or Wall Street is doomed. I've been around long enough to know that nothing will unseat Silicon Valley as the tech capital of the world. Silicon Valley has the critical mass of talent, VC money and greed that can't be replicated anywhere else in the world. There's a re…

> or Wall Street is doomed

IDK Wall Street seems pretty irrelevant to me. The only thing that matters these days is the Fed.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

wojciii wrote: post #21
ping_pong wrote: post #5

Im so tired of random writers, even if it's O'Reilly himself, trying to predict that Silicon Valley is doomed. That's like saying Hollywood is doomed, or Wall Street is doomed. I've been around long enough to know that nothing will unseat Silicon Valley as the tech capital of the world. Silicon Valley has the critical mass of talent, VC money and greed that can't be replicated anywhere else in the world. There's a re…

> There's a reason why we have never seen a world leading tech company come out from anywhere except the US. A few examples: Nokia (the sleeping giant will awaken again :)) Nordic Semiconductor The Qt Company Unity Technologies I might be influenced by living in Scandinavia. :)

Wasn’t Opera, Nokia, and QT all within the same building too in Oslo? Maybe something’s in the water

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by dang »

Apocryphon wrote: post #31
ping_pong wrote: post #5

Im so tired of random writers, even if it's O'Reilly himself, trying to predict that Silicon Valley is doomed. That's like saying Hollywood is doomed, or Wall Street is doomed. I've been around long enough to know that nothing will unseat Silicon Valley as the tech capital of the world. Silicon Valley has the critical mass of talent, VC money and greed that can't be replicated anywhere else in the world. There's a re…

Did you even read the article? Because you seem to be addressing a generic “Silicon Valley the place is dead” clickbait article rather than an in-depth thoughtful essay about the state of the tech industry and how it might transform as more sciences beyond computing come to prominence. As detailed as your comment is, it doesn’t seem germane to the OP at all and appears to be responding to merely the title and the ide…

"Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that.""

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by dang »

NeverFade wrote: post #39
TedShiller wrote: post #13

The people that he mentions at the beginning of the article who have left have all peaked in their careers. The real loss would not be of people who have peaked leaving but of people who haven’t peaked yet leaving.

Elon Musk has "peaked in his career"? I understand that we need to rudely dismiss everyone who left NorCal, but maybe let's try to maintain some semblance of connection to reality?

Please let's not go into the Musk Wars. They're all the same and always lame.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by WalterGR »

earthscienceman wrote: post #43
shinkim0914 wrote: post #26

There is no place like Silicon Valley where taking a career risk to quit a job and start a company is normalized, understood, and encouraged.

... that's because it's not a career risk when you're a multi millionaire who will just be rehired by your friends if your venture fails.

Who are these multi millionaires? Clearly I know the wrong people in tech in the Bay Area.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by dang »

All: please respond to the substance of the article, not the baity title. The latter leads to boring flamewar, while the article (and we all) deserve better.

To help with that, we've changed the title above to the what high school English teachers would call its thesis statement.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by Apocryphon »

dang wrote: post #56
Apocryphon wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the article? Because you seem to be addressing a generic “Silicon Valley the place is dead” clickbait article rather than an in-depth thoughtful essay about the state of the tech industry and how it might transform as more sciences beyond computing come to prominence. As detailed as your comment is, it doesn’t seem germane to the OP at all and appears to be responding to merely the title and the ide…

" Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Very well, next time I will simply state “the article doesn’t mention any of that, you have clearly not read it, and you are using this comment thread as a personal soapbox to broadcast your own opinions about a subject that is orthogonal to the actual link, sucking up valuable discussion that could be actually relevant and addresses the article at hand.”
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