how loud is it? should've bought this....
Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
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Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#52Why aren't there any bold laptop manufacturers? This is a 2021 laptop that uses USB-A primarily, a meh panel, and no particular standout design features. Why do I have to get a mac if I want actually good design? System76 should take a risk and truly make an interesting laptop. leaving the standard, boring design to the big name companies.
Reminds me of this medium post [1]. Apple might make it look easy but all those little things they do are really difficult and require massive scale to get at a reasonable cost.
[1] https://beneinstein.medium.com/no-you-cant-manufacture-that-...
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#53Why aren't there any bold laptop manufacturers? This is a 2021 laptop that uses USB-A primarily, a meh panel, and no particular standout design features. Why do I have to get a mac if I want actually good design? System76 should take a risk and truly make an interesting laptop. leaving the standard, boring design to the big name companies.
Apple can design custom everything and has the economy of scale to justify it. The PC space is also more competitive, Apple managed to associate their brand with luxury and charge a huge premium for their hardware, a laptop with equivalent specs would struggle massively to sell at the same price when you could purchase similarly powerful laptops for half the cost that would run the same software. At this point Apple…
It wasn't always the case. Also, Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. have more than enough economy of scale.
$1000 for the M1 air is not a huge premium. It's actually very cheap.
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#54Why aren't there any bold laptop manufacturers? This is a 2021 laptop that uses USB-A primarily, a meh panel, and no particular standout design features. Why do I have to get a mac if I want actually good design? System76 should take a risk and truly make an interesting laptop. leaving the standard, boring design to the big name companies.
Apple can design custom everything and has the economy of scale to justify it. The PC space is also more competitive, Apple managed to associate their brand with luxury and charge a huge premium for their hardware, a laptop with equivalent specs would struggle massively to sell at the same price when you could purchase similarly powerful laptops for half the cost that would run the same software. At this point Apple…
The Mac markup is not 100%.
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#55Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#56Why aren't there any bold laptop manufacturers? This is a 2021 laptop that uses USB-A primarily, a meh panel, and no particular standout design features. Why do I have to get a mac if I want actually good design? System76 should take a risk and truly make an interesting laptop. leaving the standard, boring design to the big name companies.
I think it's a combination of:
* extremely, extremely thin margins
* in general, users are pretty low-discretion, which makes it hard to meaningfully differentiate your product
* deeply entrenched competition (what % of laptops are sold at best buy/etc?)
* the users who are high-discretion are going to be extremely demanding users. They're going to nitpick over small details in both hardware and software. And they're probably going to be installing their own OS (or at least reinstalling the existing one) and will generally be more demanding of both product design and support. Also, they probably have the tech skills to correctly point the finger at you when it's your fault. Whereas less discerning users might just go "Ugh bill gates!"
Doesn't help that the "linux laptop" niche was probably a big part of this "niche laptop" market segment and Dell and Lenovo are both kinda warming back up to that niche. e.g. the newest XPS's all work great on (latest kernel) linux.
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#57I don't understand the appeal for System76. It seems grossly overpriced. Is it simply because they install Linux for you? You can find the same processor with much better specs for cheaper on Amazon or Costco.
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#58Would like to see more specifics than just "AMD Radeon Graphics". That could mean literally anything from Intel integrated level performance, to a proper dedicated GPU, though for the price here I'm guessing on the former ...
See benchmarks here: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Ryzen+7+4700U...
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple can design custom everything and has the economy of scale to justify it. The PC space is also more competitive, Apple managed to associate their brand with luxury and charge a huge premium for their hardware, a laptop with equivalent specs would struggle massively to sell at the same price when you could purchase similarly powerful laptops for half the cost that would run the same software. At this point Apple…
The Mac markup is not 100%.
It depends on the products, for some of them I'm fairly sure it's well beyond that (their new headphones come to mind). For their macbooks you're almost certainly right though.
Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics
#60I'd love to replace my thinkpad. But I need/want things that seem unavailable. * trackpoint + buttons (can be without touchpad, disabled anyway) * full keyboard * strong durable * removable battery * 4k screen * ecc 64-128gb * rj45 * lots of ports * hardware switches to disable: networking, camera, mic,.. Thinkpad's are move farther away each year. I hope some company will fill the gap.
I was/am thinkpad user also.
I have migrated to desktops.
They are cheap enough to have one at the office and one at home.
Sure the above wont work for everybody, but if you are like me, you unpacked the laptop at home and at work each day at exactly the same space, where all the cables and extra monitors were.
I used to use laptop in coffee shops and outdoors, but nowadays between phone, and tablets (wel phone and kindle in my case) I almost never feel the need.
Buy silent box, mobo for overclocking and underclock it for extra silence, and throw the box under the table.
Still have my laptop, but its mostly just "backup" and in case I travel somewhere, but honestly I don't care about it as much