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Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

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Re: Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

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post #36

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The conspiracy theories never end. Next they're going to say there is some 'god view' built into the uber code allowing executives to track and retaliate against journalists that annoy them!

Which...was..proven true: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/10/03/god-view...

he was being facetious :)

Re: Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

#52
post #31

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Why are any of these things good for the consumer? All of these sound like DBs that should be limited if possible.

Successful insurance fraud presumably increases costs to consumers via higher premiums, right?

similarly, there are serial returners who purchase with the intent of returning later.

All these business costs are passed onto other consumers... and while maybe not illegal, businesses essentially have Terms Of Service just like any other private entity.

Re: Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

#53
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Airlines do similar things for anything safety related. Having safer airlines is good for business and there's no sense in hoarding that information.

Except... it ends up being a non-reviewable blacklist that most people don't even know exists. What safeguards are there so that a grouchy driver or engineer can't use it to mess with their ex? For instance.

It seems like you may be talking about the no-fly list (which I think is controlled by FBI's TSC with some partnership with DHS) while GP may have been talking about NTSB/FAA safety sharing programs.

I suspect NTSB/FAA are much more effective at correcting bad info than no-fly list which is managed by people who like to think they are fighting so much evil the harms of their policies are justified.

Re: Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

#54
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Except... it ends up being a non-reviewable blacklist that most people don't even know exists. What safeguards are there so that a grouchy driver or engineer can't use it to mess with their ex? For instance.

I assume there is safeguards. But for the same reason these lists aren't public, their policies aren't either.

https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:1::::::

(PS: what is going on with all these colons in their urls?)

Re: Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

#55

Honestly, I don't think this goes far enough. If you're misbehaving enough to get banned from Uber, you probably shouldn't be holding any other gig work poisition either! This should protect customer safety, by ensuring that once someone is proven problematic, they can simply be removed as a gig laborer, no matter how that looks. Perhaps this could be expanded to traditional employment, as well. This should protect c…

> Perhaps this could be expanded to traditional employment, as well.

It's already hard to get a job as a felon in the US, and hasn't that worked out great!

In case it's not obvious: Just no. It's been tried. It's a horrible idea.

Re: Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

#56
I wonder if they'll start sharing data on banned passengers. I think this is a much more interesting and nuanced social issue.

A recent viral video this week showed a woman assaulting an Uber driver, she livestreamed on IG to try to justify her actions and in the process said that she would only be using Lyft, then lyft tweeted that they pre-emptively banned her.

If FAANG joined together to make a shared blocked users list, they could effectively make a digital caste system subject to little current government oversight.

Re: Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

#57
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> Really, the only proper way to do a background check is via your local law enforcement. What in the history of policing makes you think they're immune to similar mistakes?

Let's say you are mistaken for a wanted robber and arrested and later acquitted or have the charges dropped, when that record is expunged, there is a legal duty for the government to destroy all records related to that arrest. If they don't, you have political and legal recourse. A third-party company doesn't have the same legal obligation, nor does the public have any democratic control over that organization. Data…

And at least in my state, if you are booked after your arrest, you now have a "prisoner file number" (PFN), even if they release you immediately. This is what a cop is using when they ask if you've ever been arrested before, checking to see if you lie.

Re: Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

#58
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Most ask for photo ID when you do a return.

This is why it's good for hackers to bootstrap other identities over the years. You never know when they come in handy. (Note: I have not done this. Or have I? Well, no I haven't, but if I had you wouldn't know about it.) It's one of the most interesting "careful" projects you can do. Something like "Satoshi Nakamoto" can release software to change the world, but you can compare their style of writing to the short li…

i suppose it depends on the details, but if you're asked for state-issued identification when processing a return, and you present a falsified document that purports to be state-issued, that's a almost certainly a crime. (even the creation of such a falsified document is likely a crime.)

Re: Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

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post #43

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What if the company’s rules, principles, etc. are immoral, unethical, or otherwise bad for the company’s long-term viability?

Then it stops existing at some point in the short to medium term.

So then it sounds like within this, part of what we think of as the prevailing morality can actually be defined as the behavior of companies who have been around for long enough. This is probably why a lot of companies seem to get away with "bad" behavior: people who think of the behavior as bad simply don't know the rules. Just be sure to throw in a token fine or fire a middle manager in order to preserve the illusion.

Re: Uber and Lyft to swap data on banned drivers

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post #54
post #9

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I assume there is safeguards. But for the same reason these lists aren't public, their policies aren't either.

https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:1 :::::: (PS: what is going on with all these colons in their urls?)

For URLs like that the answer is usually either "Java" or "Microsoft."
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