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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by itronitron »

endisneigh wrote: post #2

How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

Performing well academically usually means that the student is good at at completing assignments in a way that aligns with the teachers grading rubric. I think boys have a certain contempt for that for a variety of reasons (at least mine do) so they focus their attention on how to work around the system, which probably yields an advantage later in the workplace.

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Post by paperwasp42 »

endisneigh wrote: post #2

How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

There's also the major factor of children. Women get a lot of scolding from society if they prioritize their career over children. Men generally aren't shamed to such a degree, and workaholic dads are even lauded as being "diligent bread winners."

Also, for many moms, working late in the office isn't even an option. They have to leave the office before day care closes. Or, in the case of women who can't afford day care, they have to take inferior job offers with inferior hours to work around their kids' school and care schedule. These things can make it extremely hard to be viewed as "managerial material" and rack up promotions. (Of course, dads face these issues too, and single dads have it especially hard. But it's statistically more likely to impact moms.)

Also, men just aren't as concerned over how much their significant other makes. Women, on the other hand, tend to more heavily judge the worthiness of a date on their career and income. So there's more incentive for men to chase after high paying, high power careers.

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

aklemm wrote: post #48
spaniard89277 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having Babies. Really, being a mother is what skews most stats about women on money issues. There has been policymaking about this in a bunch of european countries, and if they are released from financial constrains (handouts, public housing, whatever) they seem to double down on it. Let's face it, working, for most people, is something you do out of necessity. Why do we really expect women to have a similar behaviou…

Having babies and raising them fully--especially doing it well--is not avoiding work.

>Having babies and raising them fully--especially doing it well--is not avoiding work.

It was pretty obvious from the context that the person you're replying to meant "working" as in "working a job for money".

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by MattGaiser »

dekhn wrote: post #42
endisneigh wrote: post #2

How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

In many subfields of biology, women have achieved numerical parity at all levels (IE, there are roughly 50% women in entry and leadership positions). It seems like some highly quantitative fields which have traditionally been male-dominated (CS, physics) may very well be practicing some sort of entry discrimination. It's unclear what the full set of contributing factors are.

You also can’t have mathematical equality with some fields dominated by women, like nursing.

If every field is 50% or better in women, you need a heck of a lot more women.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by tester756 »

some dead comment here wrote

>That's right, the women are smarter.

I think that's right, especially at young ages like before 20? 25? then this difference seems to be closing

I always felt like girls were like 0-3 years ahead

but I tend to believe that the gap tends to be closing over time

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Post by The_rationalist »

f430 wrote: post #20

lower testosterone is beneficial - less sexual ruminations - emotional intelligence and organization - cooperation over leadership - retains better short and long term memories - female adult role model is more likely to be available and present Unfortunately HN is dominated by testosterone driven gender so its impossible to have any sort of civilized discussions about this.

Source your extraordinary claims (probably BS).

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by iagovar »

aklemm wrote: post #48
spaniard89277 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having Babies. Really, being a mother is what skews most stats about women on money issues. There has been policymaking about this in a bunch of european countries, and if they are released from financial constrains (handouts, public housing, whatever) they seem to double down on it. Let's face it, working, for most people, is something you do out of necessity. Why do we really expect women to have a similar behaviou…

Having babies and raising them fully--especially doing it well--is not avoiding work.

You're right, but you ain't making the big bucks. Even then, they seem to find it rewarding enough.

If I was woman and I decided to have baby, I'd probably be either very stressed with my current job, or looking for something part time.

Now imagine if I live in Sweden or the like where the state hands out money for raising children.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by rajin444 »

dekhn wrote: post #42
endisneigh wrote: post #2

How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

In many subfields of biology, women have achieved numerical parity at all levels (IE, there are roughly 50% women in entry and leadership positions). It seems like some highly quantitative fields which have traditionally been male-dominated (CS, physics) may very well be practicing some sort of entry discrimination. It's unclear what the full set of contributing factors are.

How do you know 50% is the correct amount of women at all levels?
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