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Re: Flutter 2

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Post by timsneath »

fwip wrote: post #39
dstaley wrote: post #7

Flutter for Web feels like such a wild step backwards in terms of functionality that I'm not sure the benefits it brings are worth it. I just tried a few samples, and basic interactions like selecting text, saving images, and opening links in new tabs don't work. This is the result of rendering everything to a element. I'm much more interested in a React Native style approach, which seems to provide a consistent set…

The example spinner ( h https://flutter.dev/#dartpad-landing-page ) also looks pretty choppy on my Macbook Pro 16. I haven't tried on lower-specced devices, but it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.

Yeah, that's running in development mode, since it's a scratchpad for live coding. Try something like https://flutterplasma.dev for an example of Flutter's web support when compiled in release mode.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by dstaley »

beaner wrote: post #28

> Google Pay switched to Flutter a few months ago for their flagship mobile app, and they already achieved major gains in productivity and quality. I don't know how they can claim this. The new Google Pay on Android was noticeably laggier the moment it was released. It continues to be so, and I still hate using it. Now I know the cause.

As long as the old Google Pay app still does NFC payments, I'll keep using it.

I was also pretty salty that the new Google Pay app was marked as "early release" so you couldn't leave a review on the Google Play Store. That's fixed now though.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by Spivak »

dstaley wrote: post #7

Flutter for Web feels like such a wild step backwards in terms of functionality that I'm not sure the benefits it brings are worth it. I just tried a few samples, and basic interactions like selecting text, saving images, and opening links in new tabs don't work. This is the result of rendering everything to a element. I'm much more interested in a React Native style approach, which seems to provide a consistent set…

I guess it's just the two ways of approaching a problem. Make native look like web or make web look like native. Both are kinda bad.

The labyrinthine rats nest of absolute hot garbage to beat a document rendering engine into a windowing toolkit with widgets is horrible. It's a testament to front-end devs that with enough effort you really can squeeze water from a stone.

And then imagine being so comfortable navigating that maze that you want your windowing toolkits to behave more like document rendering engines pretending to be windowing toolkits.

And you're like "why not just have a windowing toolkit for the web and sites can choose their rendering engine basically so all the SPAs get all the nice features of stack-based GUIs and document people get documents. Surely that would be less work!" And I think you're right but I doubt anyone would agree on a single toolkit so now you can just bundle your own compiled to wasm and rendered to canvas. Woooo.

Re: Flutter 2

#55

Post by Keyframe »

I haven't really looked, apart from glancing, into flutter yet. Now with desktops and mobile, premise seems interesting. How and does it compare to Qt?

Re: Flutter 2

#56

Post by tpmx »

timsneath wrote: post #18
tpmx wrote: post #2

Last time I tested a Flutter-built app on an iPhone X (perhaps a year ago) there was still obvious jank in transitions/animations. I assume most of the showcases mentioned here (WeChat, Grab, Yandex Go, Nubank, Sonos, Fastic, Betterment and realtor.com) are Flutter-based on Android only? Is there a well-built Flutter-based iOS app without jank now?

Disclosure: I'm on the Flutter team. According to AppAnnie, most of these are using Flutter on iOS too: WeChat, Alibaba, Grab, Nubank, Sonos all show up on their list of Flutter-powered apps on the Apple appstore. We don't capture analytics on apps, so our sources here are external sites like AppAnnie (or occasionally, direct connections with the development team).

I tried the Sonos app since it looked very similar on both platforms. It's a lot smoother than my experience from a year ago. (Hard to really tell in the limited set of screens before hardware pairing.)

Edit: If the signup screen in the Grab iOS app is written in Flutter I'm very impressed. I want to believe.

Edit 2: Nubank: I only evaluated the sign-in screen(s), but it has enough animations at what seems like a very solid 60 fps on my iPhone X to convince me that Flutter on iOS is actually a real thing now. Very nice.

They write about their development effort here: https://building.nubank.com.br/scaling-with-flutter/

Edit 3: Maybe I jumped the gun here. Quote from that post: "We’re also facing hard prioritization decisions, especially in flows and screens that work very well in their current state (native Objective-C, Swift, Java, Kotlin, or React Native) for which there are no near-future update plans."

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by Shadonototro »

darklion wrote: post #23
Shadonototro wrote: post #15

Well, with flutter they did what every other "supposed" "modern" languages failed to provide (rust, swift, kotlin, go) A modern UI, crossplatform, AOT compiler UI toolkit, that includes phones, web, and desktop Not even dotnet could achieve this Even if i'm not interested in that kind of development, let's hope people pick this instead of the atrocity that is electron

Literally none of those languages tried to provide all of those things. It’s not a failure if that wasn’t the goal to begin with.

That's exactly my point, you fail to understand

I said provide, not "goal"

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by jerrycruncher »

beaner wrote: post #28

> Google Pay switched to Flutter a few months ago for their flagship mobile app, and they already achieved major gains in productivity and quality. I don't know how they can claim this. The new Google Pay on Android was noticeably laggier the moment it was released. It continues to be so, and I still hate using it. Now I know the cause.

They are likely referring to developer productivity and perceived code quality, not user satisfaction.

Re: Flutter 2

#59

Post by endisneigh »

tasogare wrote: post #42
endisneigh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand - Math is a great example because the notation is bounded across all disciplines of math. Can you imagine if Physics used different "math" and "notation" compared to Chemistry or Computer Science? You don't have to learn a different math to understand different disciplines in the same way you have to learn different programming languages to understand different programs. Perhaps I'm misunderstandin…

Math isn’t written using the same notation across human languages, so it’s not a good counter example either.

Do you have an example? I speak another language and am not aware of meaningful differences in math notation in other languages.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by fluentcard »

I've been using flutter for a while and it has been great. The developer experience is awesome, and the community has released and maintained some very useful libraries. Dart is a bit strange but they've made some good improvements.

Flutter web last I checked was a bit strange, especially how text selection didn't really work. That was a showstopper for me so I didn't continue, but I'd definitely be interested in trying it again.

Overall very excited to see this release.

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