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Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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What's the use case for something like "VMWare on Google Compute" is it just a API shim to translate VMWare API calls to GCE for companies that are trying to lift and shift to the cloud?

GCVE is not an API shim, it's an actual VMWare environment. And yes, it's mainly used for lift and shift.

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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The major cloud providers REALLY need to focus on fixing years old bugs in their widely used offerings instead of launching new ones. I guess the incentives are out of whack tho, since a working and widely used but slightly broken offering will be used by their existing customers. But if a competitor beats them to the next major thing, they will lose customers as they migrate over to use it. So they're in a kind of a…

I wonder if it would be possible to run a site where people submit and rate bugs/enhancements/workarounds in cloud products. E.g. AWS Config doesn't support service X or sharing ENIs across NLB target groups can ruin your day.

The AWS forums used to have bug reports that were ranked by upvotes. AWS didn't seem to pay much attention though, the highest voted bugs stayed that way for years with no change or acknowledgement. I haven't personally been on their forums in years so I have no idea if this is still the case.

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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The major cloud providers REALLY need to focus on fixing years old bugs in their widely used offerings instead of launching new ones. I guess the incentives are out of whack tho, since a working and widely used but slightly broken offering will be used by their existing customers. But if a competitor beats them to the next major thing, they will lose customers as they migrate over to use it. So they're in a kind of a…

"Years old bugs" are now features

This is somewhat true in that so many people have worked around them that a fix would likely break a lot of existing users implementations.

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I see some Google Cloud folks in the comments, so question for you, if you're able to share: There seems to be a general fear about Google potentially killing off a product, based on recent history [1]. Now I know most of these are on the consumer side of things, but you can imagine people's concerns if the same thing started happening to Google Cloud products. Is the GCP team aware of these concerns, (or is this jus…

When a company like Deutsche Bank [1] signs a 10-year deal, you can be sure that they have been convinced that the products they rely on will not go anywhere. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-07/google-de... (Google Cloud employee here)

That actually doesn't mean anything to me when I personally have had to deal with the shut off of many, many Google products and your competition (AWS) is better in every conceivable way.

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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The major cloud providers REALLY need to focus on fixing years old bugs in their widely used offerings instead of launching new ones. I guess the incentives are out of whack tho, since a working and widely used but slightly broken offering will be used by their existing customers. But if a competitor beats them to the next major thing, they will lose customers as they migrate over to use it. So they're in a kind of a…

Digital slumlords?

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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I see some Google Cloud folks in the comments, so question for you, if you're able to share: There seems to be a general fear about Google potentially killing off a product, based on recent history [1]. Now I know most of these are on the consumer side of things, but you can imagine people's concerns if the same thing started happening to Google Cloud products. Is the GCP team aware of these concerns, (or is this jus…

When a company like Deutsche Bank [1] signs a 10-year deal, you can be sure that they have been convinced that the products they rely on will not go anywhere. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-07/google-de... (Google Cloud employee here)

What if you aren’t Deutsche Bank? Parts of the products they depend on are mostly safe, what about features they don’t use, but my small shop depends on?

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a company like Deutsche Bank [1] signs a 10-year deal, you can be sure that they have been convinced that the products they rely on will not go anywhere. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-07/google-de... (Google Cloud employee here)

That actually doesn't mean anything to me when I personally have had to deal with the shut off of many, many Google products and your competition (AWS) is better in every conceivable way.

> your competition (AWS) is better in every conceivable way.

Is that really true? I don't have a lot of experience with Firebase, just notifications and analytics, but working with Cognito and Amplify one- two years ago was like a bad joke, more similar to a fledgling startup than a well-rounded offering.

It rather seems to me that a lot of organisations are moving to GCP; BigQuery and its integrations with other Google products seems like a killer app, and GKE is seen as the better choice for hosted Kubernetes.

I'm still a fan of Red Hat's OpenShift, but I'm actually surprised how well Google seems to be managing their {S,P,I}aaS offerings and strategy in this space.

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That actually doesn't mean anything to me when I personally have had to deal with the shut off of many, many Google products and your competition (AWS) is better in every conceivable way.

> your competition (AWS) is better in every conceivable way. Is that really true? I don't have a lot of experience with Firebase, just notifications and analytics, but working with Cognito and Amplify one- two years ago was like a bad joke, more similar to a fledgling startup than a well-rounded offering. It rather seems to me that a lot of organisations are moving to GCP; BigQuery and its integrations with other Goo…

I had GCP kill my servers without warning because they claimed someone was mining crypto on them (they weren't). That alone was the permanent end to my business relationship with Google.

I should have known better though. Like I said, I've been through a lot of Google shutdowns and various screw jobs (remember the Google App Engine price hike?).

AWS is a professional product. It has warts but it's much more solid than GCP, technically and from a business perspective.

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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I see some Google Cloud folks in the comments, so question for you, if you're able to share: There seems to be a general fear about Google potentially killing off a product, based on recent history [1]. Now I know most of these are on the consumer side of things, but you can imagine people's concerns if the same thing started happening to Google Cloud products. Is the GCP team aware of these concerns, (or is this jus…

Honest question: Do they kill off GCP services/features? Often? More or less than AWS?
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