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Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Post by sowjetthrowaway » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:24 AM UTC

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #28

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wondered about this strange form if it suggests that one is permitted to have nonstandard combinations of subject and object pronouns. It seems odd to me to list them separately. — certainly, if I see “he” I would assume that the object pronoun is to be “him”, and the genitive and possessive pronouns “his”.

When you hear a pronoun mix like he/they, that's usually shorthand for "I use both he/him/his and they/them/theirs pronouns."

it is shorthand for a mental illness. people will look back on shemales the same way we look back on lobotomy today

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Post by kludgeon » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:40 AM UTC

jijji wrote: post #49

spodek wrote: post #14

Hard not to wonder if the endocrine disrupting chemicals we haven't banned but are changing sexes of many species, likely including ourselves, contributed.

It's ironic how the most insightful comments on this site get the most downvotes. As if endocrine disrupting chemicals in the enivronment are not a possible contributing factor, and the eventual downfall and extinction of most if not all species. [1] [1] https://www.axios.com/falling-sperm-count-endocrine-disrupti...

1. be wary of all citations to a _meta_ analysis; 2. be wary of dated results that are being republished without further research; 3. be very wary of publishers with an agenda beyond the fourth estate.

1. check 2. 13-page report published in 2017 without follow up turned into a book released yesterday 3. axios "Between the Lines" (https://www.axios.com/about/) just because i like and/or agree with axios does not let them off the hook on #3

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Post by NDizzle » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:48 AM UTC

There were two giant northern cardinals "playing" (who knows) in my front yard yesterday morning. This was right after the snow started melting, so their bright red coloring really stood out.

Maybe it's me getting old, but it's nice to see things like that every now and then.

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Post by frosted-flakes » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:58 AM UTC

walnut_eater wrote: post #45

pcurve wrote: post #27

A different cardinal with the same condition, but with more distinct coloring. Half white, half colored https://www.wtxl.com/news/local-news/water-cooler/northern-c... really interesting!

Could it be the same cardinal at a different time of year? I'm not sure whether or not they are migratory.

The colours are reversed, so not likely.

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:22 AM UTC

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Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Post by aspaceman » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:22 AM UTC

derefr wrote: post #39

So, in what other species can "bilateral gynandromorphism" occur? I'm not having much success googling this. Also, is this just a specific type of genetic mosaicism? I've heard of humans with mosaic DNA (sometimes showing up as patches of alternative skin/hair coloration, etc.); but for some reason I've never heard of humans with mosaic DNA of two different chromosomal sexes.

You might find more luck with the term “intersex” or in more historical sources, hermaphroditism.

From the wiki for mosaic DNA:

> In rare cases, intersex conditions can be caused by mosaicism where some cells in the body have XX and others XY chromosomes (46, XX/XY).[12][13] In the fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster, where a fly possessing two X chromosomes is a female and a fly possessing a single X chromosome is a sterile male, a loss of an X chromosome early in embryonic development can result in sexual mosaics, or gynandromorphs.

> An example of this is one of the milder forms of Klinefelter syndrome, called 46,XY/47,XXY mosaic wherein some of the patient's cells contain XY chromosomes, and some contain XXY chromosomes.

So yes. Looks like it occurs in humans enough to be a big area of study for intersex understanding. There’s a lot of research on sex in this area, but it’s hard to dig through. (And a recommendation for the game “House of Fata Morgana” if you’d like a fictional telling of this history).

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Post by Fellshard » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:31 AM UTC

NDizzle wrote: post #53

There were two giant northern cardinals "playing" (who knows) in my front yard yesterday morning. This was right after the snow started melting, so their bright red coloring really stood out. Maybe it's me getting old, but it's nice to see things like that every now and then.

Having grown up in an area without cardinals, I'm delighted to now live somewhere that has a few of them about in winter. There's a mated pair that keep pretty close together around our house, and they're a delight to watch together.

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Post by rriepe » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:33 AM UTC

derefr wrote: post #39

So, in what other species can "bilateral gynandromorphism" occur? I'm not having much success googling this. Also, is this just a specific type of genetic mosaicism? I've heard of humans with mosaic DNA (sometimes showing up as patches of alternative skin/hair coloration, etc.); but for some reason I've never heard of humans with mosaic DNA of two different chromosomal sexes.

Try lobsters.

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Post by TedShiller » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:36 AM UTC

diverse birds

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Post by jijji » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:41 AM UTC

kludgeon wrote: post #52

jijji wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ironic how the most insightful comments on this site get the most downvotes. As if endocrine disrupting chemicals in the enivronment are not a possible contributing factor, and the eventual downfall and extinction of most if not all species. [1] [1] https://www.axios.com/falling-sperm-count-endocrine-disrupti...

1. be wary of all citations to a _meta_ analysis; 2. be wary of dated results that are being republished without further research; 3. be very wary of publishers with an agenda beyond the fourth estate. 1. check 2. 13-page report published in 2017 without follow up turned into a book released yesterday 3. axios "Between the Lines" ( https://www.axios.com/about/ ) just because i like and/or agree with axios does not le…

The body of evidence about the effects of endocrine disruptors/gender bending chemicals on the destruction of species is many decades in the making. Axios is just one of many to publish such stories:

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2726844/

[2] https://www.epa.gov/chemical-research/research-endocrine-dis...

[3] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41574-019-0273-8

[4] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8...

[5] https://academic.oup.com/mend/article/30/8/833/2747295

[6] https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7440-gender-bending-c...

[7] https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18625023-300-infant-m...

[8] https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1298-gender-bending-c...

[9] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24505-w

Another 739 studies: [10] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2726844/citedby...