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Apple's iOS 5 coming this Fall

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Re: Apple's iOS 5 coming this Fall

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Post by mikecarlucci »

steveb wrote: post #26

Apple is trying to build a massive moat around their iOS/OSX ecosystem. If they can execute, it will be difficult for competitors to convert iOS users to other platforms. -Applications synced across multiple devices -music, photos, calendars, apps in iCloud (including your ripped content) -Integration with iTouch/iPad/iPhone docks and accessories -iMessage/Facetime lock in for user accounts -Gamecenter achievements -…

Not that I game enough on either platform for it to matter, but a unified gaming profile including Xbox Live and GameCenter (among others like Yahoo Fantasy Sports) would be fantastic. Never going to happen though.

Re: Apple's iOS 5 coming this Fall

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Post by blhack »

Are we going to finally have the ability to upload photos out of safari?

How apple gets away with this is beyond me. There is no technical reason that I can imagine why allowing photo uploads from mobile safari should be disabled.

Re: Apple's iOS 5 coming this Fall

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Post by GHFigs »

swilliams wrote: post #15
guywithabike wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marco (Instapaper) has said a number of times on his 5 by 5 podcast that he thinks Reading List either wont affect him much, or it will be a net positive (in terms of sales for him). I think he's correct in believing that Reading List will be a good gateway drug for the people who have never heard of Instapaper but will soon get hooked on the idea and potentially look for a more powerful version of the same tool. Wha…

I don't think he realized that Reading List was going to be on iOS too. Here's his exact response during the keynote: https://twitter.com/#!/marcoarment/status/77796293510037504

https://twitter.com/#!/marcoarment/status/77799506602762241

Glad I've invested in social and editorial features. Not dead yet!

Re: Apple's iOS 5 coming this Fall

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Post by _djo_ »

joebadmo wrote: post #48
wzdd wrote: post #47

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> [on iOS] what happens when I get sent to a different app and then want to go back to the original app? The answer is that this (switching apps) happens far less frequently on iOS compared with Android. In Android, the intent system (and back button) make it very easy to switch between apps. On iOS, apps use APIs instead. Integrated Web views rather than opening a browser. Mail API rather than switching to the mail…

That's a good observation, but I would submit that the reason iOS apps use web views instead of opening the browser is exactly because of a lack of a good way to get back to the originating app. App developers naturally don't want to sent people away from their app with no easy/clear way to get back. The addition of the Tweet API is another way to address a symptom of the underlying problem of not having a way back.…

Give it time. Most knee-jerk early down-voting on HN tends to get corrected over the next hour or two. It's annoying when one or two people unfairly down-vote a comment, but at least the system usually self-corrects.Once a thread is a few hours old I seldom see comments down-voted into grey oblivion that didn't obviously deserve to be there.

Re: Apple's iOS 5 coming this Fall

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Post by rimantas »

kenjackson wrote: post #45
rimantas wrote: post #40

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Do you imply that current trajectory is downward? And Apple does not sell iOS, it sells iPhone, iPod touch and iPads with that OS. I am sure iPad sales are not going to go down any time soon.

No, I don't mean to imply that. I was trying to say that they have a current relative trajectory (flat on iPhone/iPod, solidly up, but slower than anticipated after Q1 launch on iPad) -- and this trajectory doesn't seem to change any more upward after this. In particular relative to Android. To put it another way, if they didn't do this release at all and just continued to sell iPhones with iOS 4.x on it for the next…

I am not so sure about flat sale of iPhone and iPod but have no data on that, so won't argue. Comparison of Android vs. iOS devices bothers me a bit every time, because it is just one manufacturer with handful of products vs. dozens manufacturers with gazillion devices.

Re: Apple's iOS 5 coming this Fall

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Post by kenjackson »

rimantas wrote: post #55
kenjackson wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I don't mean to imply that. I was trying to say that they have a current relative trajectory (flat on iPhone/iPod, solidly up, but slower than anticipated after Q1 launch on iPad) -- and this trajectory doesn't seem to change any more upward after this. In particular relative to Android. To put it another way, if they didn't do this release at all and just continued to sell iPhones with iOS 4.x on it for the next…

I am not so sure about flat sale of iPhone and iPod but have no data on that, so won't argue. Comparison of Android vs. iOS devices bothers me a bit every time, because it is just one manufacturer with handful of products vs. dozens manufacturers with gazillion devices.

Here's one datapoint:

http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-flat-in-u-s-as-android-takes-...

Apple has great margins, so they'll do fine, even if they stay at 25% marketshare forever. But it seems to be clearer that Android is going to run away with this.

The only real question is, who takes the #3 spot. RIM, MS, or HP? I think there will be 3 players in this space. Two are locked in. The last has yet to be decided.

Re: Apple's iOS 5 coming this Fall

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Post by alanh »

ben1040 wrote: post #3

I wonder what the fallout from folks like Instapaper and Tap Tap Tap will be. It seems kind of shady for Apple to say Tap Tap Tap's Camera+ couldn't have volume button as a shutter (because it was a UX rule violation), then six months later implement that feature right into iOS.

Oh, please. I am not buying it. The selling point of iOS is the user experience, and part of that experience was that hardware buttons act predictably, in every context. Was. Realizing how important the camera has become, they are reprioritizing the photo experience above the universally-consistent-hardware experience. If you don’t think this topic was internally debated over and over at Apple, long before TapTapTap submitted their app, you don’t get Apple.

Re: Apple's iOS 5 coming this Fall

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Post by jamesaguilar »

51Cards wrote: post #50
jamesaguilar wrote: post #27

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I really doubt we'll see a hardware back button on iOS. That is a misfeature of Android because of its inconsistent behavior -- if you came to one activity from an activity in another app, how do you go to the parent view in the current app? The back button takes you to the activity from which you came, not to the parent view. I think most iOS users are fine with how back works in iOS; personally I would be very much…

I have to comment that I completely agree with not being able to interact with notifications without unlocking the phone. The idea of a screen lock (aside from phone security for some) is to prevent accidental interactions in your pocket. I want to know that when I pull my phone out I haven't lost important notifications because it was jostling around in my pocket and clearing them.

You may want to look at Apple's design, which uses a lock-like mechanism for interacting with the notifications as well (e.g. slide-to-play voicemail, slide-to-view text message). There doesn't seem to be an option for clearing the notification while the screen is locked, so your concern is in this case moot.

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Post by anko »

lukifer wrote: post #42
ben1040 wrote: post #3

I wonder what the fallout from folks like Instapaper and Tap Tap Tap will be. It seems kind of shady for Apple to say Tap Tap Tap's Camera+ couldn't have volume button as a shutter (because it was a UX rule violation), then six months later implement that feature right into iOS.

I really feel for the folks at Red Pop today: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/786496402/red-pop

that was my first thought too - i was going to buy one of these today, now I think I'll wait until ios5 and see if i still want it.

Re: Apple's iOS 5 coming this Fall

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Post by nathanb »

msbarnett wrote: post #22
ben1040 wrote: post #3

I wonder what the fallout from folks like Instapaper and Tap Tap Tap will be. It seems kind of shady for Apple to say Tap Tap Tap's Camera+ couldn't have volume button as a shutter (because it was a UX rule violation), then six months later implement that feature right into iOS.

So what's the solution here? To me the outcry over this seems pretty contradictory given the general antipathy around here towards software patents. Either ideas are something that an individual can own and control and others are forbidden to use without permission, or everybody is free to implement them and innovate around them. Is Marco going to have to do some work now to differentiate himself from Reading List? T…

I agree completely; you can't have it both ways.

However, the point in the OP about Camera+ seems a bit more legit. Rejecting an app for doing X and then doing X yourself in the next release seems like a huge double-standard, and where there are double standards there is foothold for allegations of anti-competitive behavior.

That said, however, the difference between me (sitting in a cubicle typing this) and the creative forces behind Instapaper and Camera+ is (hopefully) that where I see small developers being turned into digital sharecroppers by a dictatorial corporation, they see an opportunity to differentiate themselves from the stock offering by excelling in the very specific area they're focusing on.

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