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Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by angio »

asxd wrote: post #48
aminozuur wrote: post #20

What about the US military's FB page? Didn't they cause thousands of innocent deaths in Iraq? I'm sure some Americans can somehow justify it, but I doubt the grieving Iraqi's will accept it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukaradeeb_wedding_party_massa...

The difference is the Myanmar military was killing their own citizens. A country's military firing live rounds on their own citizens with seemingly no remorse is different than a country's military committing violence in foreign countries. I'm certainly not condoning either example of military force presented here, but the duty of the military should ultimately be to preserve their citizens. Killing its own citizens…

Should Facebook then close Police departments pages? They're killing fellow citizens and they're doing that more than any other Police force in the west.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by asxd »

angio wrote: post #51
asxd wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is the Myanmar military was killing their own citizens. A country's military firing live rounds on their own citizens with seemingly no remorse is different than a country's military committing violence in foreign countries. I'm certainly not condoning either example of military force presented here, but the duty of the military should ultimately be to preserve their citizens. Killing its own citizens…

Should Facebook then close Police departments pages? They're killing fellow citizens and they're doing that more than any other Police force in the west.

That's a decent point. To my argument though, the duty of the police sometimes does acceptably involve violence against citizens when necessary (although at present they are far too frequently forgetting the "when necessary" part).

Also, police departments are far more localized and I think hold much less clout than a national organization.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by nix23 »

freeburma wrote: post #50
nix23 wrote: post #46

It's interesting, Aung San Suu Kyi (with a freedom nobel-price) is/was responsible for the expulsion, killing and raping of rohingya's. But when the military takes over that's a big nono. BTW: Hitler was also democratically elected, wouldn't have been the worst thing if the Wehrmacht made a coup then, like for example "operation valkyrie".

She was not. AASK never had any authority over the military. At all. Military was legally above elected government before the coup, controls all the courts, legally guaranteed 25% of the legislature, wrote the constitution, and the comander-in-chief was never appointed by elected government. Military never answered to AASK or took orders from her or the president. At best, you could call AASK an apologist for militar…

>At best, you could call AASK an apologist for military.

Ah yes, then shes definitely not responsible...irony off.

>>she took the podium on Wednesday at the United Nations’ highest court to defend her homeland against accusations of genocide, arguing that there had been no orchestrated campaign of persecution.

>>Instead, she insisted that what foreign observers have called an organized, years-long campaign of atrocities against the Rohingya has been exaggerated and misconstrued.

2019/12/11 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/world/asia/aung-san-suu-k...

2018/07/07 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/world/asia/myanmar-rohing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by zyl1n »

freeburma wrote: post #50
nix23 wrote: post #46

It's interesting, Aung San Suu Kyi (with a freedom nobel-price) is/was responsible for the expulsion, killing and raping of rohingya's. But when the military takes over that's a big nono. BTW: Hitler was also democratically elected, wouldn't have been the worst thing if the Wehrmacht made a coup then, like for example "operation valkyrie".

She was not. AASK never had any authority over the military. At all. Military was legally above elected government before the coup, controls all the courts, legally guaranteed 25% of the legislature, wrote the constitution, and the comander-in-chief was never appointed by elected government. Military never answered to AASK or took orders from her or the president. At best, you could call AASK an apologist for militar…

If military never answered to her or took orders, control all the courts like you said, what is the point of the coup?

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by ahmedfromtunis »

Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar Military. Myanmar Military takes down main service of Facebook (eventually, if they didn't already do.)

The question here is: would (some) misinformation be worth it to avoid total blackout. And I mean this places other than North America and Western Europe.

In huge swathes of the world, internet and facebook are interchangeable. And where democratic values are strong enough, any government can take down the main channel of (free, non-governmental sanctioned) information for a whole country.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by johnsmittyson »

freeburma wrote: post #45

For all the people oblivious to why Facebook did this: Because Myanmar people lobbied for it, and because the Myanmar military is terrorizing its own people, then lying about it. The military is shooting its own people, kidnapping them in the middle of the night, and torturing them. Over 10 protestors dead and 50+ injured, as they are using live rounds on protestors. Over 500+ disappeared or kidnapped. Protestors kil…

Well, brother, I hope you don't log into the wrong account while posting "free" stuff about hk, belarus, myanmar and so on.

I guess all is good as long as they don't touch the baby incubators, right?

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by ben_w »

fallingknife wrote: post #30
ben_w wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an also-unpopular third option: The graph of freedom of speech versus personal liberty looks like the Laffer curve for government income vs tax rate. One end is zero for obvious reasons; the other end is also zero because it is a power vacuum, one which e.g. charismatic narcissistic Machiavellian sociopaths exploit it to rise to power and they kick away the free speech ladder after they get it.

So are you saying that the current people in charge are the "charismatic narcissistic Machiavellian sociopaths" who exploited the power vacuum that existed with the creation of the internet and are now kicking away the "free speech ladder?"

Nope. The internet isn’t the origin of the idea of total freedom of speech without any constraints, and such personalities have been whipping nations to commit genocides since before my now-deceased parents were born.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by sep_field »

reimertz wrote: post #49
sep_field wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook runs a huge amount of different services. Some of them have value, but they are ones that people had and have other alternatives for. This doesn't mean that Facebook as a whole has value, as the whole is more evil than the sum of its parts. Anything of value will not be lost as we de-Facebook the planet. Also, the original use case of Facebook was for Mark and his buddies to rate the attractiveness of their…

Would yoy be interested in doing an AMA? Seems like you have a lot to say and I'd be down to listen.

I'm not really wanting to accumulate a fanbase that's interested in my opinions just because I have them, and I doubt I have anything worthwhile to say about just any random question. I add my contributions where I think I have something worthwhile to say -- if others appreciate my contribution as well that's a win-win. Thanks for your interest, its flattering, but I don't see an AMA working out.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by tester756 »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #37
ginko wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This supposes there will be a facebook competitor Why does there have to be a competitor? I think we will do fine without social media.

Those on social media are more powerful than those off it. The most obvious example is that large Twitter audiences can be monetized, whether by selling a book or asking for Patreon subscribers. That seems to imply social media is here to stay, in one form or another. It's a bit of a "rules for rulers" paradox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&ab_channel=CGPGr... in the sense that power structures exist in…

I completely disagree.

People who manage to monetize $platform are probably tiny, tiny %.

Also there are negative consequences of using social medias.

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