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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by klipt »

oh_sigh wrote: post #27

Where does the power of the dual citizenship come from? If I have a passport each to two countries A and B, and am attempting to enter country C - is the benefit that I can present myself as a citizen of B and will be bound by some B-C covenants, regardless of whether I am a citizen of A, or is it from the fact that C doesn't know that I'm associated with A and only knows about my B loyalty because of the passport I…

Mostly the former, if they offer a 1 year visa to A citizens but a 10 year visa to B citizens, you can say "I'm a B citizen!" and get the 10 year visa.

Hiding the fact you're an A citizen is usually only helpful in hostage/terrorist situations which you'd probably want to avoid in any case.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by GoOnThenDoTell »

klipt wrote: post #44
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have only a French passport so far, and I can settle in 31 countries without any issues. Sometimes you just get the right one ;-)

A US passport or green card lets you settle in 50 states with no issues ;-) Of course there is less cultural diversity than the EU - but the uniformity of law and culture makes moving between states even easier than the EU. For example a green card holder can reside one year in each of five different states and that will count as the 5 years residence necessary to naturalize as a US citizen. If an EU permanent reside…

The US has one federal gov though, so you have less choices about entry requirements. All the EU counties have different citizenship requirements, but once you get one you can live in any

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by davchana »

soheil wrote: post #43
jo-m wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can also work a US based job, remotely in the EU, completely legally. You can also do that 100% legally as a non US citizen (I did), with the added advantage of not paying US taxes. You have to pay taxes and social security in the country where you reside, not where you are a citizen and/or work (mostly).

Not true, US is one of the only countries that requires you to pay taxes no matter you live or where you work as long as you're a US citizen and alive the IRS requires you to pay income tax.

I think the other one is Eriteria.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by davchana »

culturestate wrote: post #46
cambalache wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being a us dual citizen has the disadvantage of continuing to owe income tax to the USA I think it is for any income above 100k/year (the amount could have changed), if you are in that bracket is a nice problem to have > Also many international banks cringe at opening accounts with “us persons” I live in a country with many American expats, none of them have had any problem whatsoever to access to banking services,…

> I live in a country with many American expats, none of them have had any problem whatsoever to access to banking services, including opening accounts It depends on the bank. Any bank doing business internationally is usually fine because they probably already have a robust compliance mechanism in place, but a lot of local banks will just straight-up say no because they don't want to be subjected to FBAR / FATCA.

True, in middle east, local banks were not happy to hear that I had SSN & US residency.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by klipt »

gamekathu wrote: post #48

The post glosses over Canada by not mentioning Quebec. If you are in Quebec, chances of your getting a Permanent Residency is close to slim if you do not have French language proficiency. Thus, while living in Quebec for 5 years now, being a grad student, I neither qualify for PR nor citizenship by naturalization.

In the US a student visa never leads to naturalization, you need a green card first. I think that's the case in most countries.

I heard of someone from Haiti getting Canadian citizenship while going to grad school in Quebec but that seems more an exception than the rule.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by davchana »

tardismechanic wrote: post #6

"The Indian Citizenship Act, 1955, does not allow dual citizenship." So that's not an option for 1.32 Billion people.

Yes, but India has something called Person Of Indian Origin Card, PIO Card. Which is also known as semi passport. You don't need visa to Infia, can buy land, business. Cant vote, stand in elections, hold government jobs.

Edit: or i think its OCI Card, Overseas Citizen of India. PIO is discontinued.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by klipt »

GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #52
klipt wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A US passport or green card lets you settle in 50 states with no issues ;-) Of course there is less cultural diversity than the EU - but the uniformity of law and culture makes moving between states even easier than the EU. For example a green card holder can reside one year in each of five different states and that will count as the 5 years residence necessary to naturalize as a US citizen. If an EU permanent reside…

The US has one federal gov though, so you have less choices about entry requirements. All the EU counties have different citizenship requirements, but once you get one you can live in any

Yes, which leads to weird situations like Malta selling EU citizenship to anyone with money.

Imaging if the Alabama state government could sell US citizenships and pocket all the proceeds themselves! Definitely creates weird incentives.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by vecinu »

disabled wrote: post #25

I am a dual citizen of the United States and Croatia (European Union citizen). I am culturally American, and I have spent the vast majority of my life in the US. I left the US about a month before the lockdowns started. I have been living in Croatia for the past year. I can technically live/work/retire in any EU/EFTA country (minus Lichtenstein--has an immigration quota), due to having Freedom of Movement rights. In…

> But, it is way, way, less stressful living here, just in general. Americans have no idea. The taxes are worth the peace of mind along with the stability it gives society.

Can you please go on with this point and provide some 1-1 examples you've personally seen? I keep dreaming and have, for the last 5 years, about leaving the US and living in Europe but I feel like I'm throwing away an enormous economic opportunity by moving now.

I have accumulated and will continue accumulating wealth that would be impossible to accumulate in any European country in my lifetime. I keep saying, one more year, just one more year and it seems to be a hamster wheel that never stops spinning.

I'm afraid I'll wake up one day, after saying one more year, that I'm 50 years old with 2 kids and a life in the US that I'll have a harder time leaving behind.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by jo-m »

soheil wrote: post #43
jo-m wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can also work a US based job, remotely in the EU, completely legally. You can also do that 100% legally as a non US citizen (I did), with the added advantage of not paying US taxes. You have to pay taxes and social security in the country where you reside, not where you are a citizen and/or work (mostly).

Not true, US is one of the only countries that requires you to pay taxes no matter you live or where you work as long as you're a US citizen and alive the IRS requires you to pay income tax.

That was my point (although possibly poorly worded): in this particular instance, dual citizenship is not an advantage. Just being a citizen of Croatia would have been better.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by andi999 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #27

Where does the power of the dual citizenship come from? If I have a passport each to two countries A and B, and am attempting to enter country C - is the benefit that I can present myself as a citizen of B and will be bound by some B-C covenants, regardless of whether I am a citizen of A, or is it from the fact that C doesn't know that I'm associated with A and only knows about my B loyalty because of the passport I…

As always it depends. If country C requires visa (ahead of travel) for passport holders of country B, but Visa free travel for passport holders of country A, you can just enter with your country A passport. No problem for country C to know this.

But remember the travel ban for Muslim country citizen in the US? There being citizen of B will in all cases prevent you from entering (except, of course you criminally lying plus intelligence agency screwup)

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