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Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Agreed. Used to respect the NY times, but now it's just borderline far left propaganda

I wish NYT was far left. How does the NYT mispresenting WHO scientists to push the story that China was hiding COVID constitute "far left" to you? That is a dead on Trumpian conspiracy.

#cancelcovid - it will totally work

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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No true Bolshevik.

No. The NYT has a liberal bias. Not a left bias.

Well what's "liberal" here? As someone not from the US, liberal means to me what people in the US call "libertarian" or "classical liberal"; and I thought "liberal" is what you call people from the democratic party, who are left-leaning statists AFAICT. Are you just saying they aren't communists? Because communism is what's normally called far-left in most of the world.

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Do you have a link to the Greenwald article in question? It sounds interesting.

I would guess it is this one: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-journalistic-tattletale... It basically describe the now pretty common practice of trawling social media sites and forums for something which can be made into news, conducted by very large news papers like NYT. In my view its a kind of low effort data mining when there is news droughts. Nothing to report? Then go and look up the all the employed truck…

I get your point but this one article of many written by Glenn on the topic of crappy journalism and a lack of accountability, even among the reporters at the NYTimes.

This article is about a social media post, by a journalist at the NYTimes, accusing a highly visible person of using a slur that never actually happened. And once corrected, this reporter basically hides and asks why everyone is attacking her.

He’s using this event as an example of an on-going issue.

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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The New York Times of 2021 is NOT the New York Times of 1960. Trust is lost very quickly, but it takes a long time to earn that trust back, once lost. I class the NYT of today in the same league as CNN, Washington Post, and Reuters; other formerly great news media companies that have lost all my trust. I doubt greatly whether I would ever live long enough to believe in any of these four companies again. Other formerl…

How did Reuters lose it?

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Words have meanings.

Not any more apparently. Fascist, socialist, communist, alt-right, neoliberal, etc. just mean whatever they need to quickly slur someone with them. Hell ever Marxism seems like it doesn’t actually refer to anything Marx or his contemporaries ever said anymore. Did you know Bloomberg is a Maoist? Fascinating how the site obsessed with their pseudo-intellectual superiority can’t add anything other than downvotes.

I agree. Unless we are talking about avowed actual Nazis or card-carrying Communists, much of this extremist labeling can be reduced to identify ‘enemy tribe members.’

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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Agreed. Used to respect the NY times, but now it's just borderline far left propaganda

If NYT is far left propaganda to you, then what is Jacobin, Nonsite, and/or wsws.org?

To me, those tend to be honest about their bias, and better at reporting facts.

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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No. The NYT has a liberal bias. Not a left bias.

Well what's "liberal" here? As someone not from the US, liberal means to me what people in the US call "libertarian" or "classical liberal"; and I thought "liberal" is what you call people from the democratic party, who are left-leaning statists AFAICT. Are you just saying they aren't communists? Because communism is what's normally called far-left in most of the world.

The US is a very right wing country. If you're not from there then there's a good chance that the Democratic Party is more right wing than your countries major right wing party.

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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The New York Times of 2021 is NOT the New York Times of 1960. Trust is lost very quickly, but it takes a long time to earn that trust back, once lost. I class the NYT of today in the same league as CNN, Washington Post, and Reuters; other formerly great news media companies that have lost all my trust. I doubt greatly whether I would ever live long enough to believe in any of these four companies again. Other formerl…

They’ve always had an agenda; sway opinion and leverage that power.

I wonder if they’re less trustworthy or you’re more aware of their untrustworthiness?

Re: WHO scientists: NYT misquoted us to fit a prescribed narrative

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No. The NYT has a liberal bias. Not a left bias.

Well what's "liberal" here? As someone not from the US, liberal means to me what people in the US call "libertarian" or "classical liberal"; and I thought "liberal" is what you call people from the democratic party, who are left-leaning statists AFAICT. Are you just saying they aren't communists? Because communism is what's normally called far-left in most of the world.

Really we need a venn diagram with like 10 different circles to describe the distinction between what is meant by liberal and what is meant by left here.

Liberal, in this case, when contrasted against the left usually describes the politics of the neoliberal and neoconservative (and often a mixture of the two) wing of the Democrat Party. In other words, liberals are considered a sort of right wing - pro-market/pro-capitalism - of the Democrat party. On the other hand, you have the “real left” which represents anti-capitalist and pro-labor ideals (this is a smaller faction and it’s more of a gradient that leans toward democratic socialism than full abolishment of capitalism). There are certain cases where (parts of) the neoliberal and left wing align - for example the various identity issues. That’s the “progressive” part of the party.

But yes this is all very confusing because we have only recently developed language in US politics to describe these differences and they have not really hit mainstream political discussion. That and we have one mega party that represents many different views.

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