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Re: Intrade CEO dies climbing Mt. Everest

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His family clearly supported him (based on a few other news outlets that actually interviewed them).

His family was enabling his narcissism.

Having actually known John in real life, I disagree with your description of him as a narcissist.

Re: Intrade CEO dies climbing Mt. Everest

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Sad. But I have to say - climbing Everest when your wife is due to give birth - not cool. Overall death rate for Everest climbers is pretty close to 3% - pretty high (although its been falling). Edit: 3% is for climbers above base camp - for summit climbers its close to 10%! According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Mount_Everest_disaster

FYI - the overall rate is ~9% but has been declining significantly in recent years... http://www.mounteverest.net/story/MountEverestKillerMountain... "To date, there have been 1,924 ascents of Mount Everest (more than 1,300 different climbers), and 179 people have died. The overall fatality rate is thus about 9% (fatality rate is defined as successful summits compared to fatalities). However, since 1990 there has bee…

Interesting. Though I imagine that a lot of people who die climbing Everest die because they did something stupid. What's the death rate for people who are sensible? (This guy doesn't seem to have done anything stupid, his brain just didn't like the altitude).

I wouldn't do it. But I do want to climb Mt Kilimanjaro sometime (much less dangerous).

Re: Intrade CEO dies climbing Mt. Everest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI - the overall rate is ~9% but has been declining significantly in recent years... http://www.mounteverest.net/story/MountEverestKillerMountain... "To date, there have been 1,924 ascents of Mount Everest (more than 1,300 different climbers), and 179 people have died. The overall fatality rate is thus about 9% (fatality rate is defined as successful summits compared to fatalities). However, since 1990 there has bee…

Interesting. Though I imagine that a lot of people who die climbing Everest die because they did something stupid. What's the death rate for people who are sensible? (This guy doesn't seem to have done anything stupid, his brain just didn't like the altitude). I wouldn't do it. But I do want to climb Mt Kilimanjaro sometime (much less dangerous).

What's the death rate for people who are sensible?

Sensible how? Like not climbing Everest? Be careful how you define it, because there's the danger of saying that everyone who lived was sensible. Anyway, that's kinda like saying that drunk driving is only dangerous if you're not sensible when you're doing it. We can't survive that long that high, and our judgement becomes seriously impaired, similar to being drunk.

Re: Intrade CEO dies climbing Mt. Everest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

His family clearly supported him (based on a few other news outlets that actually interviewed them).

His family was enabling his narcissism.

His family made a lot of money on that same narcissism, and derived a lot of security from it.

Conversely, someone who can be talked out of climbing a mountain can also be talked into keeping his day job, and probably will be.

Re: Intrade CEO dies climbing Mt. Everest

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Aside from possibility of interest in the exposed query, what's the point of copying as pasting the error you just got?

As oxtopus said, this is something I never hope to see on a trading site. Especially just for counting views.

And really? 5 downvotes for saying that the link does't work? This community has really declined.

Re: Intrade CEO dies climbing Mt. Everest

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Mainly because moving them to an elephant reserve costs a good amount of money (something like $5000 per, if I recall correctly) and it's cheaper to just shoot them. His hunting trip was probably more expensive than that.

My understanding is that elephants are being routinely culled on reserves, as well. They eat. A lot. (I don't mind the downvote at all but it's be good to know if the downvotes connote the fact that I'm wrong; I may be!)

A cursory googling for "elephants culled on reserves" shows several stories from reliable sources indicating that you're not mistaken.

Re: Intrade CEO dies climbing Mt. Everest

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Sad. But I have to say - climbing Everest when your wife is due to give birth - not cool. Overall death rate for Everest climbers is pretty close to 3% - pretty high (although its been falling). Edit: 3% is for climbers above base camp - for summit climbers its close to 10%! According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Mount_Everest_disaster

FYI - the overall rate is ~9% but has been declining significantly in recent years... http://www.mounteverest.net/story/MountEverestKillerMountain... "To date, there have been 1,924 ascents of Mount Everest (more than 1,300 different climbers), and 179 people have died. The overall fatality rate is thus about 9% (fatality rate is defined as successful summits compared to fatalities). However, since 1990 there has bee…

Everest may be statistically less dangerous, but I suspect that's because the vast majority of climbers today (really, all except a handful of Sherpas at the start of the season) are climbing with fixed ropes on guided ascents. Everest today is still a dangerous mountain, but the dangers are themselves statistical (bad weather, illness, etc) more than technical.

Re: Intrade CEO dies climbing Mt. Everest

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Can't reach the page, but the submission title made me want to share an on-topic book recommendation - Into Thin Air: A Personal Account of the Mount Everest Disaster, by Jon Krakauer. [1] It's a very sad, but thrilling, account of a catastrophic journey up Everest. [1] http://www.amazon.com/Into-Thin-Air-Personal-Disaster/dp/067...

It is a great book. Sadly, the hostile reaction toward the Everest climbers expressed after the disaster seems to also be present in many of the comments on this thread.

Re: Intrade CEO dies climbing Mt. Everest

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I am not sad for him personally. We all die, he chose his time and place. Attempting to summit Everest is meaningful in part because one out of every ten climbers making the final push doesn't make it home alive. Compare and contrast his death to Bob Parsons' cowardly choice of shooting an elephant. Bob was never in any meaningful danger, where is the courage in killing an animal that can't shoot back? I am sorry for…

> Attempting to summit Everest is meaningful in part because one out of every ten climbers making the final push doesn't make it home alive. How does that make it more meaningful? Does the fact that it can be deadly make playing russian roulette meaningful too then?

I'd say so. It may not be meaningful in the life accomplishment sense, but I'd imagine that staring death in the face in those moments before the click is probably about as vivid and emotionally intense as life can get. An experience doesn't have to be virtuous or reasonable to be meaningful.

I find this conversation pretty bizarre. Of course climbing Mount Everest is meaningful. It's used ubiquitously as a metaphor for the ultimate in human achievement! Just because it may be selfish or egotistically motivated in some circumstances doesn't mean it isn't a deeply meaningful and symbolic challenge to undertake.

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