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B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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I'm not sure how you solve this. They stock products that are smallish, and easily convertible to cash, so robberies are going to happen. The Devialet speaker in the article is a good example. Retails for over $3k, and weighs 12kg.

Seems like you solve this by only having stores in lower-crime areas.

Seems like that's exactly the solution they're going for, since they're closing the store that's in a high-crime area.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#52
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Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

> Why do the stores in SF attract violent crime compared to, say, a store in another West Coast city?

Vast wealth right next to abject poverty and hopelessness. Like a spark that, with sufficient potential, jumps a gap.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#53
post #6

I'm not sure how you solve this. They stock products that are smallish, and easily convertible to cash, so robberies are going to happen. The Devialet speaker in the article is a good example. Retails for over $3k, and weighs 12kg.

Seems like you solve this by only having stores in lower-crime areas.

Which now apparently means: not in San Francisco.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#54
post #37

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There is almost always a cop there. I walk by pretty frequently and I can't recall seeing it open without a cop. Could be wrong - not exactly casing the joint on my lunch walks.

Sounds like a protection racket. You have the choice of paying for a cop to protect your property or getting robbed.

It would only be a protection racket if the cops were conspiring with those who commit the robberies. Lots of businesses pay for security for all kinds of obvious reasons; just because the cost of security is deemed to be lower than the cost of not having it doesn't mean that anyone is running a "racket".

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#55
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could it be the extreme wealth and extreme poverty that the Bay Area has? We have California’s highest levels of income inequality, not sure how we compare with the rest of the us [1]. 1: https://www.kqed.org/news/11799308/bay-area-has-highest-inco...

What are you saying? These people are stealing and pointing guns at people only because they feel it's "unfair" that other people have more money than they do?

I think that's part of it. Imagine doing demanding or demeaning labor all day and making a tenth of what the guy spending 7-8 hours a day typing on a computer and playing Ping Pong makes. That would certainly seem unfair to me. Can't afford nice stuff, but you could take it...

On top of that, SF refuses to punish crimes like theft, so...

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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I think apple products can be locked remotely if they are known to be stolen.

>I think apple products can be locked remotely if they are known to be stolen. Doesn't really matter. They can still be flipped for a few hundred bucks for the components.

Yes, Apple can remotely disable phones stolen from Apple stores.

see https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/02/apples-software-tr... and https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8380857/Apple-Store...

For recent iPhones (11+), batteries and screens are tied to the original iPhone. You can't swap out a battery/screen from a spare iPhone 11 to a non-functioning iPhone 11 and resurrect the dead iPhone.

see https://www.ifixit.com/News/32343/apple-is-locking-batteries... and https://www.ifixit.com/News/33147/apple-is-discouraging-scre....

For iPhone 12, Apple expanded the locked-to-device components to the camera module. see https://www.ifixit.com/News/45921/is-this-the-end-of-the-rep...

The iPhone 12 behaviour is sneaky - it looks like the transplanted component works, but it slowly malfunctions.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#57
For context a realtor friend I know lived right in that area. It’s overrun with homeless and drug dealers.

Hayes Valley used to be the place people wanted to move to because it had good food and local merchants. This was ten years ago. Now it’s just as bad as the b8ta owner makes it out to be.

City politics is to blame for this because they spin up programs to help, but it doesn’t fix the systemic problem long term. Most of the people who are homeless or need help don’t want to abide by the rules for a free place to stay or get the help they need. They’d rather stay on the streets and live life how they see fit. This isn’t a political opinion either. It’s a reality of failed policies of the city.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a protection racket. You have the choice of paying for a cop to protect your property or getting robbed.

It would only be a protection racket if the cops were conspiring with those who commit the robberies. Lots of businesses pay for security for all kinds of obvious reasons; just because the cost of security is deemed to be lower than the cost of not having it doesn't mean that anyone is running a "racket".

But the DA and police chief choose not to pursue property crimes or even assaults... the officers themselves are probably not conspiring, but it's a culture of "leave the criminals be" which leads to needing this extra protection, and it's all coming from the same organization.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would only be a protection racket if the cops were conspiring with those who commit the robberies. Lots of businesses pay for security for all kinds of obvious reasons; just because the cost of security is deemed to be lower than the cost of not having it doesn't mean that anyone is running a "racket".

But the DA and police chief choose not to pursue property crimes or even assaults... the officers themselves are probably not conspiring, but it's a culture of "leave the criminals be" which leads to needing this extra protection, and it's all coming from the same organization.

That's a fair rebuttal, fine.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#60
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SF leads in all areas of innovation, including crime. In the Covid era, tourists are not present in the quantities required to sustain various career populations, including criminals. Guns aren’t really necessary in SF, so there may be some gang initiation threshold.

I traveled to SF a number of times with work 2 years ago. I'm not trying to sound like a smug social democratic European, but I couldn't get over the homelessness, the petty vandalism, the rubbish, and the overall air of menace in the place.

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