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I received my first donation on my open-source side project

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Re: I received my first donation on my open-source side project

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I know this feeling, seeing people pay for your free software! It's very rewarding, and also a sign that some people got huge value from your hard work. Even if it's symbolic, or just enough to cover the server costs, it's what motivates me to continue. Still, I wish more companies would donate to support the massive amount of open-source software and libraries we all use every day. I understand that making a company…

> I understand that making a company pay for something free is a challenge. I don't know how many times I've heard variants of this. "You can't monetize open source because companies won't pay for it." It's not that hard to get them to support the project if you sell something that's not available for free. It could be as simple as selling a special version of the documentation for $25. That's obviously not at the sa…

Honestly, selling the company the right to yell at you and a promise to not disappear and take the software with you is probably enough for some of them...

Re: I received my first donation on my open-source side project

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post #35

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hope you kept it and sold it a few days ago when BTC hit 40K USD. yes?

Any sane person at the time would have sold it immediately for $50

I guess for me it's more like a certificate than money. I still have it and its worth a lot (more than money)

Re: I received my first donation on my open-source side project

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post #7

I have been running an open source MathJax-based mathematics pastebin[1] since 2012 and I had received 2 donations for it until recently. Then a mathematician tweeted[2] about it convincing others to send some donations. After that kind gesture by him, I received 3 more donations. So pretty sure I can't make a living out of donations. :-) But I still appreciate them because they help in covering a portion of the host…

Was looking forward to using it but, it says my IP is blacklisted. :(

It was the spam filter at work. I have tuned it just now. Would you please try once more and see if you can use it now?

By the way, this spam filter is one of the things I want to fix when I resume work on this project again. Currently, it blacklists IP addresses whereas ideally it should be blocking certain type of content only.

Re: I received my first donation on my open-source side project

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post #50

I've been trying to encourage more "Charityware" for software [0]. My software is free and open source (MIT license) [1] but I also sell it for $5 and donate $3.50 of every sale to a cost-effective charity. My goal is to increase donations to the charity, and asking people for donations wouldn't be as effective. My software now has generated almost over $9,000 in donations. Personally, every purchase of my software f…

One thing that always hurts OpenSource project is the fact they have not ability for me to "Buy" it, with an actual invoice or receipt that I can give to my accounting people for the sale...

It is "donation" of a undetermined amount which is a much harder thing for me to clear the bean counters.

So by being able to go to a site, it buy now with a fixed price, and (I presume getting a receipt) you likey having gotten much more income than if you where to have a "donate to me" link with a open ended amount...

Re: I received my first donation on my open-source side project

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Accepting Monero and Bitcoin costs you nothing and is a great way of solicitating donations as cryptocurrency users are historically massive donors.

There's always a time cost with financial things, at least. Some tax authority probably expects you to track and report that income, and will want their share.

This is always the problem with taking "donations" privately. Although innocent, the reality is that a lot of tax authorities look at this as income.

As someone who's primarily a creator, I find it often eye brow raising the kinds of complicated rules which tax authorities create to "level the playing field". Definitely tread carefully.

Re: I received my first donation on my open-source side project

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post #55
post #50

I've been trying to encourage more "Charityware" for software [0]. My software is free and open source (MIT license) [1] but I also sell it for $5 and donate $3.50 of every sale to a cost-effective charity. My goal is to increase donations to the charity, and asking people for donations wouldn't be as effective. My software now has generated almost over $9,000 in donations. Personally, every purchase of my software f…

One thing that always hurts OpenSource project is the fact they have not ability for me to "Buy" it, with an actual invoice or receipt that I can give to my accounting people for the sale... It is "donation" of a undetermined amount which is a much harder thing for me to clear the bean counters. So by being able to go to a site, it buy now with a fixed price, and (I presume getting a receipt) you likey having gotten…

This is even more important if you want people in academia to support open source projects with money. It is view as fraud and is illegal to give money to an open source project from a federal grant. If one can buy it and get an invoice, then support is possible.

Re: I received my first donation on my open-source side project

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post #45
post #7

I have been running an open source MathJax-based mathematics pastebin[1] since 2012 and I had received 2 donations for it until recently. Then a mathematician tweeted[2] about it convincing others to send some donations. After that kind gesture by him, I received 3 more donations. So pretty sure I can't make a living out of donations. :-) But I still appreciate them because they help in covering a portion of the host…

I'm stupid , but what exactly do mathematicians do ? I'd assume economists are a significant portion of them ???

I've seen questions of this kind a lot on HN, and I think they really deserve a better answer than what I can come with. Here's my best shot at an answer:

Mathematics is a bit like art. There is no functional purpose to art, people just do it for the sake of itself, and for the intellectual stimulation. Likewise, mathematics deals with building theory on top of previous theory, with no real purpose other than for the sake of building theory and getting intellectual stimulation.

Think of this: Where did that previous theory come from? It was built on top of previous theory, etc. Mathematics is pretty much a never-ending stack of things built on top of each other for the sake of building things on top of each other.

Every now and then (quite often actually), there is some really useful stuff that can be done with this enormous stack of theory, with applications in practical fields like computer science or engineering. In fact the computer was invented as a result of a lot of merely theoretical contemplations about the nature of logic. But for a "pure" mathematicians, the applications are not the main focus of mathematics. For a forum like HN where a lot of folks are driven by doing stuff, this idea might seem rather strange, but it is the same motivation that drives artists and probably many other things.

Then there's of course the applied mathematicians who try to use everything they know about math to work on some real-world problem. Theoretical computer science is often a good example, where we build algorithms that try to improve performance for some practical problem by using mathematical insights into the properties of the problem. But there's also less applied computer science, where algorithms are built merely because they are interesting or beautiful or whatever, and then maybe someone finds a need to apply them, or not.

For those without any formal education in mathematics, here's a little problem that will help you understand what a mathematical proof actually is: Consider some set S containing some elements (anything really, just some stuff). For any elements a, b in S, we define an operation: a + b yields some other element of S (+ here is just a symbol, not necessarily addition). The operation + has only the following properties:

  - (0) a + b is another element of S
  - (1) For any c in S, we have (a + b) + c = a + (b + c)
  - (2) There exists a special element in S, written as 0, such that a + 0 = a, for any a in S
Note that we did not assume that b + a = a + b. In particular, 0 + a might not be a. Assume that there exists an element 0' such that 0' + a = a = a + 0. Use only the properties stated above to argue that 0 = 0'. If it helps, replace "+" with any other symbol.

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Solution: This structure (a set with an associative operation and a neutral element) is called a monoid. We are proving that the neutral element of a monoid is both "left-neutral" and "right-neutral". The proof proceeds as follows:

By (1), we have 0' + 0 = 0', but also 0' + 0 = by our assumption of 0. Hence 0' + 0 = 0' = 0, which was to be shown.

This solution is fairly straightforward. The next step is to try your hand at something a little more complicated: Define a second operation (-a) which takes an element of S and returns an element of S called the inverse of a, with the property that a + (-a) = (-a) + a = 0, for any a in S. Prove that (-(-a)) = a.

Re: I received my first donation on my open-source side project

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How is that compatible with Rahankeräyslaki, which explicitly forbids soliciting money from the general public without a permit?

The iirc court of appeals has confirmed that merely having a donation link is okay. So you might legally be somewhat limited in what you can write there (like "donate to me SO THAT I can write more code YOU enjoy"), but saying "Support me / donate to me / Support my work through Ko-Fi" is entirely fine.

Can you link a court case to support this argument? I was once in an association (ry) and we tried finding out if we could have a donation link on our website and we were told it is not allowed. Even just having a bank account number was not allowed. The only way to receive a donation would have been for a person to ask us proactively and then we could tell _that person only_ our bank account number.

I run a free web service where some users have asked me to set up a donation system but AFAIK it is illegal so I haven't done it. Instead I set up a company and will sell premium accounts with some borderline useless but actual feature that normal accounts don't have, so that it's no longer a donation.

Re: I received my first donation on my open-source side project

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post #17

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If you say something like "Dont worry its not illegal you'll be fine" you really need a link to some proof. :)

https://is.fi/taloussanomat/art-2000001494059.html https://rescue.fi/article.php/20070131_effi It was only district court but the prosecutor did not seek the court of appeals (which they legally have to do if there's a chance their view might succeed), leaving the precedent.

Note that Effi no longer lists the mentioned donation details on their website[1] and their verbiage is much more limited now so I don't know how much they themselves count on the court case. I would like to see the actual court case transcripts but they were not linked in the articles, shame.

[1] https://effi.org/yhdistys/lahjoitukset/

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