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Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Post by KMag » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:30 AM UTC

Taek wrote: post #30

mortenjorck wrote: post #8

It's only a matter of time before this project gets a cease & desist from Disney. (Disney owns 20th Century Studios, formerly 20th Century Fox, owner of the Terminator franchise.)

We get somewhere between dozens and hundreds of DMCA's per week, and we comply with all of them. We can't actually take content off of Skynet itself (similar to how you can't actually take content off of IPFS), but we can have our portal ( https://siasky.net ) refuse to serve content with known-infringing or known-abusive hashes.

GP was joking about the name of the project itself infringing on Disney trademarks, but (as a peer notes) Fox/Disney hasn't registered a trademark on Skynet.

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Post by jwmoz » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:34 AM UTC

tetrisgm wrote: post #5

Didn't realize this was built on Sia. Interesting! I used to follow their development closely back in ~2017. I like how this product seems to be pretty straightforward to use. Hope it leads to more.

Go look at SCBTC daily.

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Post by ranguna » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:35 AM UTC

Am I the only one that can't download the examples, it just gets stuck. Also the dapp example throws me a json saying that skynet is blocked.

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Post by chrisco255 » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:40 AM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #34

Taek wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misunderstand the state that Eth2 is in. It's technically "released", but Eth2 cannot be used to transact. If you move money to Eth2, it must stay in the same wallet/address until more features are rolled out. Everyone who uses Eth today is still on Eth1 because Eth2 is only good for having your coins sit there and accumulate interest.

And furthermore, it would be years until the actual ETH2 is usable, right?

No, they are making rapid progress on ETH2. The beacon chain is the root chain for the other 63 shards that will be launched. That is the chain that is currently running in parallel with the ETH1 chain.

See Vitalik's blog on rollups: https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/01/05/rollup.html

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Post by forgot_old_user » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:45 AM UTC

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #24

Why is this free? Who is paying the Sia nodes to store the data?

How much does it cost?

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Post by Taek » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:54 AM UTC

pentae wrote: post #40

So what's stopping an abuser from generating tons of accounts and spamming their network with junk causing everyone to have to host lots of junk data?

It's a paid network. https://siasky.net/ is free for the moment, but will be switching to a freemium model in the near future. As a portal, siasky will have the ability to ratelimit and block abusers.

If you "abuse" the network using your own node, you will have to pay for everything you upload and download, which means the people storing it won't really think of it as abuse, you're just another paying customer.

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Post by feanaro » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:59 AM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #13

thesausageking wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. One of founders talks about the two problems with IPFS they saw that led them to build it in this comment from a past thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24626748

What did they mean: * Skynet uses a point-to-point protocol rather than a DHT, which not only makes it faster, it's also more robust to abuse. DHTs are pretty famously fragile to things like DDoS and active subversion, and Skynet has been designed to be robust and high performance even when malicious actors are trying to interrupt the network.* How is P2P used rather than DHT

Think about it this way. To be able to find who is hosting the file, we need a mutable shared data structure which can be updated with this information as it changes over time. In IPFS, this is fulfilled by the DHT, whereas in Skynet/Sia the blockchain takes over the role.

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Post by Taek » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 10:11 AM UTC

jwmoz wrote: post #52

tetrisgm wrote: post #5

Didn't realize this was built on Sia. Interesting! I used to follow their development closely back in ~2017. I like how this product seems to be pretty straightforward to use. Hope it leads to more.

Go look at SCBTC daily.

The Sia and Skynet projects are focused on achieving a vision of a decentralized future for the Internet. Pumping the token value has never been a priority. SC is a utility token, and you should buy it if you want to use the Sia network.

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Post by 74d-fe6-2c6 » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 10:13 AM UTC

How does Skynet relate to Tim Berners-Lee's Solid project (https://solid.mit.edu/)?

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Post by talhah » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 10:20 AM UTC

KMag wrote: post #46

jstummbillig wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this maps reasonably well to a rise of both technological abuse and accountability when producing things for the internet now, compared to what it used to be.

Yes, particularly after observing how poorly society is adapting to pervasive social media. 3-4 years ago, I was nearly a free speech maximalist. I hope we figure out a way to properly educate middle school and high school students about cognitive biases, logical fallacies, statistical fallacies, and other tools needed to properly deal with social media. Right now, society is just adjusting very poorly to the advent…

I wish more schools taught us the tools to deal with social media.

At my school we're just given stale advice about cyberbullying and about posting things we'd regret.

People don't even question the legitimacy of things often or think critically about it. It's as if their critical thinking is numbed. I don't know how else to put it, but it's rather interesting.